Randall Flagg wrote:

I have serious doubts this was lab created.  It's an incredibly shitty virus if its design was biological warfare.  Less than 2% mortality rate and all of that almost entirely in the elderly and immuno-compromised - not something very effective against your average soldier.  Plenty of other known pathogens with 90+ mortality rates if China wanted to develop something new.

Agreed. I’ve thought this for a while. The only similar theory i’ve entertained is: what if it got out before they were finished  with making it deadlier in some way. I don’t know how bioweapons are made ....

I’m still anxious of contracting it. I’m taking a lot of precautions. I live in a town of 18k, and at last count 13 had it, and they are likely in a hospital in Chicago or elsewhere. Our town has no hospital.

I go out once a week for groceries. I have three teen kids who eat endlessly it seems. I have no face mask per se, but i used my balaclava with my GNR Lies t-shirt tied over it like a bandana. Overkill? I dunno. I buy groceries for my elderly neighbor Bob and certainly don’t want to pass it on to him.

Stay safe everyone.

mitchejw wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

What do you want mitch?  You want to have everyone sit at home and completely destroy the economy potentially for years at the same time?  Something has to give...since you've been firmly in the stay at home crowd, you can't have it all. 

Why are you never grounded in any sort of reality and living these pipe dreams that sound so good on paper but never work in reality?  Fair question given this question and your Bernie love.  Yes, we'd all love people to stay at home for 6 months, then the economy is just reset and everything there is fine.  We'd all love that, but that's not based in reality.  We'd love a society where everybody has plenty and nobody ever needs anything, but that's not based in reality either.

???

I have no idea what this means. Surely you see irony in borrowing from China to handle a crisis that originated in China.

You have no idea what this means?  It means that you have a choice...either keep people home and have a stimulus to spark the economy or you send people back to work.  You can't keep people home and not do a stimulus...that option doesn't exist in reality. 

This is exactly what I was talking about since the beginning...now you're starting to see it (hopefully; the alternative is you're just being a dick).  Is the cost of keeping people home worth the gain?  I believe the jury is still out on that one...

I don't really care how they address the stimulus issue as long as they do and it bails out the people as much as it does the corporate side.  Eventually we'll just go bankrupt on China anyway and there's not much they can do about it.

Anyone worried about what the stimulus will do to an already terrible deficit?

I assume this just means more borrowing from China, right?

Ok now that Trump is parroting the tool Illinois governor...what does that make him?

The way i see it...the president didn’t lead so the governors had to choose for themselves. That’s why you have 20 different ways of dealing with the same thing.

buzzsaw wrote:

Depends on how you define take it seriously.  Most people that get it are fine.  Most people that get a bad case end up fine.  A very small percentage (and nobody knows that number with such limited testing) die and the overwhelming majority of them have underlying health conditions. 

I work from home anyway and don't get out of the house too often, but we did fly to Chicago in late February to visit my grandmother after my grandfather passed away...that was before all hell broke loose.  I've been fighting allergies for weeks with highly elevated pollen levels. I've respected the social distancing and haven't gone out other than to go for walks or going to the grocery store.  When I do both, I stay away from people.  I'm a germaphobe, so I am always washing my hands.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that I have the virus, but a weak case of it.  I'm not coughing; I'm not sneezing nor do I have a runny nose.  No headache, no fever, no anything really other than some difficulty breathing, which is most likely allergy related.  Regardless, we stay home unless one of us needs to go to the store, and in that case it's me over my wife because of her underlying health issues.  I think I'm taking it seriously; you may say because there's a small chance that I could have it I should be quarantined.  If we're being honest, there's a small chance anyone could have it. 

Here's your chance mitch...tell me I'm being irresponsible.

Calling the Illinois governor a tool and then calling your opinion a fact is irresponsible. You never recognized my point, which is Trump is taking his lead from proactive governors NOW. For nearly three months he stuck his head in the sand. Now that IS a fact. If you're one of those that thinks the economy is more important than a pandemic, then we're never going to agree on anything.

Other than that you sound like youre taking all the precautions I'm taking.