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#491 Re: The Sunset Strip » Charlie Watts Dead at 80 » 246 weeks ago
Damn. Fucking legend. I'm seeing them October 4th in Pittsburgh. Will be interesting to see them play with this band and at this age.
#492 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
April 27
https://twitter.com/TravelGov/status/1387102968709791757
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Ha, thank you. I've been spending the last 20 minutes trying to find the date it changed. This proves that no one can say they didn't know to get out months before the current situation.
#493 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
Off topic, but why do you choose to spell profanities incorrectly? We all know the word you intend to use, it appears to be the correct word on quick glance by your design, and no one is offended by it?
#494 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
They may have told them to leave but the mixed message that was he Afghan army had everything under control and Kabul wouldn’t fall probably didn’t give people any sense of urgency. It’s like “you should leave, but if you don’t, don’t worry because there are 300,000 Afghan troops well trained by the US and you should be fine.”
No one told them that. Sure, Biden may have said that to the press a month before the fall of the nation, but the State Department has daily updates on the situation. If you sat there in Kabul for weeks watching the Taliban strategically capture the nation, and still thought "man, this is all gonna blow over soon, I'm fine", you have culpability for your choices. I understand leaving at the drop of a hat is an inconvenience, but we're talking about life or death here. And the Air Force isn't going to let Americans pack up all their property to be flown on a C-17.
ID brought up the cost thing the other day, but if you can't afford $2k, what fucking business do you have being in Afghanistan if you're not a government employee.
#495 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
Looks like the Taliban has told Biden that no extension beyond August 31st will be permitted. I don't know how many citizens our allies have left in the country, but I hope the Americans who are waiting this out have a plan, cause god only knows what happens on September 1. I'd be concerned the Taliban will start to force Americans and Europeans out of the country at that point, but if the rumors of ISIS and Al Qaeda types flocking to the region are true, could be quite a problem. Those dudes would want nothing more than to force the US to respond militarily.
#496 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
I know saying anything that absolves Biden or Trump of responsibility will be met with resistance here, but I was just reading that the State Department has been telling Americans to get out of Afghanistan since April.
Just like vaccines and just like the Afghan army, you can't make people do things if they really don't want to. People weren't leaving like they were advised. People don't take vaccines as advised. The Afghan army doesn't fight like it was advised.
Individuals do actually make decisions for themselves that create ripple effects.
Yes, I'll add the caveat before someone else does, the exit has been fucked up. That's clear and we've covered that. But it's a combination of many things, and Americans not leaving as advised is a small part of it.
Excellent point. The State Department doesn't know how many Americans are even there, and alerts were sent to all Americans to get out in the week leading up to Kabul's fall. Anyone living in Afghanistan during this withdrawal had to be aware of the risks. If they chose not to have an exit plan and didn't immediately run to the embassy when the Taliban was outside the city gates, they have culpability in this. They're not all victims, and I know many of them are business folks who wanted to profit off the situation. America has a responsibility to rescue its citizens, but at what point do we risk American Soldiers' lives to rescue people who didn't heed any warning cause they thought they could ride it out.
Some pundit called this Biden's Katrina. I disagree with that analogy for several reasons, most among them is the people left in Katrina made that decision and were told to get out by their mayor and governor. You can't force people to make the right decision, and people are accountable for their choices.
#497 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
The Taliban lacked air coverage completely, and were significantly outarmed and outnumbered by the Afghan military. Saying the Afghan Army fell because they lacked mechanics to keep their airforce operating is ignoring that countless Afghan pilots have flown out (deserted) of the country in that aircraft during the last week. I'm not defending Biden's withdrawal plan, but if you outnumber and outarm the enemy, and lose without a significant fight, you don't get to blame that on anyone but the Army who failed to setup a simple perimeter defense. Riddle me this, how many Taliban and Afghani soldiers died in the preceding 11 days before the fall of Kabul?
80k Taliban versus 300k Afghani Soldiers. And the Taliban had a decisive victory without a formal military structure and intelligence support from NATO nations.
#498 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
Put Trump on this situation and you think he is letting Tali’s call the shots? No fvcking way. Hi ass would be opening up Bagram Air Force base and sending a message.
He wouldn’t, cause that would be universally stupid. The Taliban knows Biden’s botched withdrawal has handed them thousands of US citizens as leverage. If Biden can get the people who want out, out, the Taliban will let them leave. They don’t want the US there, and the quicker we’re out, the better for them. What you’re talking about is an escalation of force, which would result in hundreds if not thousands of casualties, many of them American. This is a powder keg, and the US and allies are essentially fucked at the moment. If Biden gets everyone out by end of month, this whole fiasco will be forgotten and the media will return to talking about the nuclear explosion that happened at the Capitol in January.
#499 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 246 weeks ago
A few things need to be defined:
1.) How many American citizens remain outside Kabul airfield
2.) How many of those Americans want to be evacuated - It's not going to be 100%, so what do we do (if anything) to get those who don't want to be evacuated
3.) How many Afghani's meet the original intent of the SIV. Reports are coming in that Biden is now trying to stretch the language to include 1000s who weren't qualified for that consideration
That's where the focus needs to be. People advocating impeachment are just in lala land as those who wanted it 2 years ago (and again after Trump was out of office). Democrats aren't going to impeach one of their own, just as Republicans didn't (though the standards of evidence are miles apart in this situation). Biden isn't going to resign, nor should he. He fucked up, but I'm tired of people demanding resignation or impeachment because they lost at the ballot.
#500 Re: Management » GNREvo's 10th anniversary » 247 weeks ago
Brody owned ROV right? Definitely late 2006 for ROV, and 2007 for the current forum. I used to talk to him in PMs quite a bit back in the day. Hope he's doing alright.
