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#521 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago

The Republicans’ Fake Investigations

A generation ago, Republicans sought to protect President Richard Nixon by urging the Senate Watergate committee to look at supposed wrongdoing by Democrats in previous elections. The committee chairman, Sam Ervin, a Democrat, said that would be “as foolish as the man who went bear hunting and stopped to chase rabbits.”

Today, amid a growing criminal inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, congressional Republicans are again chasing rabbits. We know because we’re their favorite quarry.

In the year since the publication of the so-called Steele dossier — the collection of intelligence reports we commissioned about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia — the president has repeatedly attacked us on Twitter. His allies in Congress have dug through our bank records and sought to tarnish our firm to punish us for highlighting his links to Russia. Conservative news outlets and even our former employer, The Wall Street Journal, have spun a succession of mendacious conspiracy theories about our motives and backers.

We are happy to correct the record. In fact, we already have.

Three congressional committees have heard over 21 hours of testimony from our firm, Fusion GPS. In those sessions, we toppled the far right’s conspiracy theories and explained how The Washington Free Beacon and the Clinton campaign — the Republican and Democratic funders of our Trump research — separately came to hire us in the first place.

We walked investigators through our yearlong effort to decipher Mr. Trump’s complex business past, of which the Steele dossier is but one chapter. And we handed over our relevant bank records — while drawing the line at a fishing expedition for the records of companies we work for that have nothing to do with the Trump case.

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Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators.

We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.

The intelligence committees have known for months that credible allegations of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia were pouring in from independent sources during the campaign. Yet lawmakers in the thrall of the president continue to wage a cynical campaign to portray us as the unwitting victims of Kremlin disinformation.

We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.

We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.

We explained how, from our past journalistic work in Europe, we were deeply familiar with the political operative Paul Manafort’s coziness with Moscow and his financial ties to Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.

Finally, we debunked the biggest canard being pushed by the president’s men — the notion that we somehow knew of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower between some Russians and the Trump brain trust. We first learned of that meeting from news reports last year — and the committees know it. They also know that these Russians were unaware of the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s work for us and were not sources for his reports.

Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert. But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?

What came back shocked us. Mr. Steele’s sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive — and now confirmed — effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I.

We did not discuss that decision with our clients, or anyone else. Instead, we deferred to Mr. Steele, a trusted friend and intelligence professional with a long history of working with law enforcement. We did not speak to the F.B.I. and haven’t since.

After the election, Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power. We did not, however, share the dossier with BuzzFeed, which to our dismay published it last January.

We’re extremely proud of our work to highlight Mr. Trump’s Russia ties. To have done so is our right under the First Amendment.

It is time to stop chasing rabbits. The public still has much to learn about a man with the most troubling business past of any United States president. Congress should release transcripts of our firm’s testimony, so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most important, what happened to our democracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opin … &smtyp=cur

#522 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago





#523 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

I don’t believe that you three would care only under this exact circumstance.

Based on what's actually happened I wouldn't care under any circumstance so far.  I'll reassess if/when more facts become available, but so far it's the same as Clinton, so if Clinton is okay with you I am not going to worry about Trump.

It's just as I said they would... Ignore these fools^^^.

It's nothing similar. There is an actual investigation with Trump, indictments, arrests and plea deals with more in the pipeline. There is an abundance evidence coming forth.

With Hillary? Nothing.

There's a reason for that, and it's not "bias."

But keep telling yourself that as the Trump saga unfolds.

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I also guarantee you, 100%, that neither one of them read the article.

Here it is again:

How the Russia Inquiry Began: A Campaign Aide, Drinks and Talk of Political Dirt

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/p … oulos.html

#524 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago

A bombshell report from the NYT about Trump team's collusion with Russia months prior to the election. This is bigger than Flynn's plea deal IMO.

Key points:

Papadopoulos bragged to an Australian diplomat that he had dirt on Hillary via the Russians committing computer theft.

The Australians were so alarmed, unlike the GOP, they notifed American intelligence agencies immediately.

Because of this report, the FBI began an investiation into Trump and his campaign months before the election.

Trump and his defenders have always claimed the entire investigation was based on the dossier. This has now been proven false.

Remember-as far back as April of last year we knew several countries: UK, Germany, France, Estonia, Poland etc had come across Trump/Russia contacts and told American intelligence about it.

Leading up to the election, the FBI chose to keep the investigation quiet and not let the American public know. The same FBI that Trump claims is against him and "bias" now.

Papadopoulos also coauthored an April speech where Trump signaled a much softer position towards Russia.

It also now makes sense why Trump was so rude to the prime minister of Australia.

Trump team now claiming Papadopoulos was just a "coffee boy" which clearly after this report, is pretty much impossible to accept.

Expect GOP faithful to poo poo this. Ignore them and how they will try to muddy this up. This is another big deal. Story below.

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How the Russia Inquiry Began: A Campaign Aide, Drinks and Talk of Political Dirt

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/p … oulos.html

#525 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I woke up in the middle of the night & put on the radio, it was about 4 or 5am Sunday. Talk radio, was a right leaning syndicated show (far right, I forget its name).  They were noticably all in on the Mueller shut down/firing. Saying it needs to be done etc. Seemed pretty fabricated. Came off more like a pre recorded scripted show, kinda like those direct response infomercials, not like Hannity or Mark Levin type call in.

Anyway yeah I definitely felt they were setting the tone for it. Surely with Trump now saying "No" to firing Mueller that changes things. Only thing I could think of is if they put out another group of texts emails with info & Trump says "Ok, well now thats it. I'll end this now".

Interesting thought though, about something going down this week. I bet your right, it could be Kushner.


I guess technically Trump could be telling the truth, since apparently by law he can't fire Mueller. The AG must do that. However a report came out today that said Trump considered deputy AG Rosenstein a "threat to his presidency." So in theory Trump could fire Rosenstein, and replace him with some stooge that would 86 Mueller. That would still be obvious obstruction of justice IMO.

They are now claiming the emails from Trump's transition team, reviewed by Mueller as early as September, were taken illegally. Now that's rich. On one hand we have Trump, who openly asked a tool of the Russian government (Wikileaks, I love Wikileaks!) to release more of Clinton's emails. That's OK. But now his attorneys are claiming Mueller broke some law, which is patently false, and these emails should not be admissible for the investigation. Keep in mind that Mueller has been giving lengthy interviews to WH staff over the last several weeks. Surely he's been quizzing them on particulars inside those emails. That may be another reason they are freaking out. They now know that Mueller has those emails and is asking questions that he already has answers to. Easy to catch somebody in a lie.

#526 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Trump had a good week last week.

I am starting to get worried the stock market is just way too over heated.  Holy shit.  We are at almost 25,000.

Trump's approval rating is the lowest of any president in his first year. Roy Moore, who he endorsed, lost in Alabama. Not sure how this is a good week. The majority of Americans overwhelmingly do not like this tax plan and believe it will hurt them.

I felt it was overbought at 20k. If this tax bill becomes law, it's going to get worse.

#527 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

Talked about briefly many pages back, but buried under the constant stream of news. Worth a revisit (2 minutes long):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=147&v=eFAugsKExNI

#528 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

Trump and his state TV channel have gone full nuclear the last few days. Zeroing in on Mueller. The GOP has joined in and now want to investigate the FBI.

Aside from the fact that this is completely ridiculous, we must look at the history here. Preceding every indictment or witness deal/guilty plea team Trump went on the offensive. It's quite clear they're in attack mode this last week, full throttle. They're not doing this out of the blue.

So that begs the question: Is somebody going down this week? If so, who? Kushner?

#529 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

All these talk about that FBI agent is non sense. It's not even worth acknowleding, but since people keep repeating this crap it should be addressed I suppose. The agent blasted Democrats as well as Republicans in his texts. He was also fired. It has little to no bearing on this investigation as whole. The sole purpose is to muddy the waters and discredit Mueller so they can fire him.

And that's what we have now: Anti American fascists who smear our FBI, thumb their nose at the law, dismiss the Constitution and project all their insanity on everybody else.

They're brilliant at propaganda techniques such as "Whataboutism" and claiming the other side is partisan. I'll give them that. They're even better at getting these little bootlicks to spread propaganda for them. These are weak men who are easily swayed or simply look up to authoritarians like Trump.

#530 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 464 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

You guys get way too worked up about what might happen.  Wait and see what does happen, then throw a fit if you don't like it.

Quit defining peoples' posts and then telling them how to act.

You and Flagg are two peas in a pod.

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