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#521 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
Biden needs to be realistic and not try to make excuses in his speech today. Explain we’ve spent the past 10 years in Afghanistan specifically to train the Afghani army. We’ve gone over battle plans and strategy with them. They have all the Intel we had. And they lacked the conviction to make even the most basic stand against a bunch of insurgents who lacked a decade of US military training. I can respect that, cause it’s the truth.
Afghanistan has been and will continue to be a nation of warlords and tribes. Russia couldn’t stop that cycle and they didn’t have 21st century liberal values crying at every insurgent harmed. The UK and America couldn’t end that cycle. The only way it happens is if you go the China route on their Uyghur's, and the west has generally frowned on that practice since 45.
#522 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:A diversion will be coming shortly, either some person of color shot before he could kill someone or another "mass" shooting will be brought to the forefront to distract the plebes.
Dude, not sure if you meant it that way but that's dripping with racism. The suggestion that every black person shot by cops was going to kill someone is fucked up.
Back on topic.
No, my comment was directed at the American media who only makes a story out the death of a black (and to lesser extent, hispanic) person shot by police. I didn't say all, but when 9/10 stories fit that bill to a t (Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Jacob Blake, Antwon Rose, Breonna Taylor, to name some of the more popular names in the past few years), and you see the same pattern being repeated and the same lies being told, you recognize you're being fed a narrative. No one cares that out of the thousand or so rioters at the Capitol, one unarmed white woman was the only protester shot. If you bought into the false narrative that Jacob Blake wasn't tasered and told repeatedly to stop before grabbing a knife and shot, and expressed outrage, but didn't ask why only one unarmed protester out of a thousand was shot, I don't think you're really concerned with use of force.
Sorry for going off topic, but it was a clarification that was necessary. My point being that US media has a very predictive script and narrative to dole out when they want attention elsewhere, so expect them to focus on whatever random tragedy they can spin to deflect from Biden's catastrophic international relations. It's what they do. You and anyone else can have the last word, I don't want to derail this topic.
#523 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
Yeah, there was no Russia bounty program that we know of. There was one from Iran.
Hmm, maybe taking out Soleimani wasn't a big fuckup. Maybe taking out the head of a hostile military organization is the best strategy there is.
#524 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
Based on that bounty program where the paid militants linked to the Taliban to kill American soldiers I would be surrpised if there wasn't involvement on some level. Would also not be surprised if there was some help from China.
You should go back and research this. Even Biden says there's no evidence it's true. More hyperbole and lies from a media salivating to find any content to make Trump the bad man.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … n-n1264215
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your … after-all/
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-do … 160af2da42
All articles from 2021
#525 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
Another doozy from Reddit....
Biden called the withdrawal a pathway to peace, and declared that Taliban incapable of seizing the country.
Now that we are seeing the Taliban Rape and Pillage Reunion Tour of 2021, Biden seeks to shift the blame for this catastrophe to Trump, white supremacy, the “insurrection”, climate change, and anything else his handlers can name.
Who is trying to blame Trump? I've seen far left sites try to fact check Trump's inappropriate claim Kabul wouldn't have fallen under his plan, and they certainly lack the qualifications to opine as "fact checkers", but when has that stopped "fact checkers?" Sure, they'll lie and divert to other things, that's what they do. Remember, Obama lied about Benghazi and blamed it on a YouTube video. But blaming Trump? That'll be hard to sell.
I expect the American press will all but refuse to cover Afghanistan in the coming days. The moment Biden was sworn in, the daily death count tracker vanished and the outrage at keeping illegals confined until they could return home ended. The American media isn't interested in portraying Biden in anything but a positive light. A diversion will be coming shortly, either some person of color shot before he could kill someone or another "mass" shooting will be brought to the forefront to distract the plebes.
#526 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
A reasonable question is how much is Russia behind the Taliban’s troop movements. And how far Pakistan will let the Taliban go. God forbid they capture and murder US citizens. That’d be catastrophic.
But they have to walk a line and not stage mass executions. People are going to be slaughtered, but if it’s off camera the west will do nothing.
But the US just sacrificed a major staging area in the region.
#527 Re: The Garden » The Space thread » 247 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:polluxlm wrote:You still believe in space James? You should come over to the other side, much more fun.
Can you please elaborate on the premise beneath your question?
There's nothing going on up there. They discovered that with Von Braun's rockets. At a certain height they can't penetrate it.
Now it's just escapism for young men. Once you start looking at these space videos with the premise they were created in a studio or a computer you can never look back. A 2000 year old Greek theory they pass as real. But like Aristotle and every other ancient speculation, Pythagoras and Hipparchus were also wrong. The model of the Earth they use is based on a prop from a 1920s movie. Amazing prescience, or not.
So you don’t acknowledge the presence of interstellar objects visible with the naked eye? I just want to clarify what you mean by “nothing going on up there?” Do you believe chemical rockets can escape earth’s gravity? And if we don’t have geospatial satellites in orbit to include the ISS, how do you reconcile the use of ground satellite antennas and GPS?
Do you believe three dimensional space ends at some point in the atmosphere? Or do you believe our planet has an effective shield surrounding it.
#528 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
misterID wrote:No one is blaming Joe for the war. I'm blaming him for this catastrophic exit and surrender.
Just read this:
@RobbieGramer
Ronald Neumann, the former US ambassador to Afghanistan, told me: “There’s a difference between the Biden decision to leave, and the Biden execution of the decision. The decision to leave is arguably justifiable. The execution of that decision is a lamentable disaster.”
It's also just come out that Biden refused to allow maintenance crews in to help the Afghan air force, which grounded the jets and denied them their greatest advantage.
That's right everyone...after over 15 years of being in Afghanistan....they still couldn't figure out how to build a runway....
Why are you so antagonistic on this. Yes, every President since Obama has run on the idea of getting out of Afghanistan. Biden attempted to do it. This is a major fucking deal for our foreign policy. Pakistan and Turkey have already started the orders to arrive. It’s a colossal failure for the United States.
Biden said the Afghani’s were ready. He stated the Taliban wouldn’t gain control. The American Embassy just lowered the flag an hour ago. That’s the sign the US no longer recognizes the Afghani government.
A lot of decisions are going to need to be made. The most important of which is what do we do militarily. If the US can no longer support the Afghani government, and it appears we just threw in that towel, I don’t see any point in wasting American lives and resources. I doubt our communication systems and crypto were left in the abandoned equipment, so the risk of threat to the US at this moment seems minimal. Let Pakistan do in the open what it’s been doing for 20 years. Let Iran, China and Russia worry about it.
Others will feel differently and I’d like to hear those opinions. But why you can’t acknowledge that Biden fucked up here, and seem antagonistic toward anyone expressing that view, is beyond my ken.
#529 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
And the Afghani government officially fell. Yea, this is the biggest foreign relations disaster in decades.
#530 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 247 weeks ago
And Biden also just deployed 1k 82nd soldiers with another 3k on the way to maintain the Afghani government. So he’s not doing what Obama did. I don’t know what the future holds, but we either leave an indefinite force in every nation we conquer, or we don’t and the power vacuum is filled by the the strongest force.
We just spent the past 15 years or so saying we’re going to pull out shortly. Trump wanted us out by last Christmas. Biden just delayed it by 8 months.
Yes, President’s overrule generals every day. That’s how it’s supposed to work. I know the far left was giddy at the idea the Joint Chiefs would ignore Trump and refuse his withdraw order last fall. But people not bound to partisan idiocy generally agree civilian control of the military is a good thing.
Trump used a MOAB on the Taliban, the biggest bomb since Nagasaki dropped in a military conflict. I’m hoping Biden will prevent the complete collapse of the Afghan government, but as someone who worked first hand with Afghani officers (and other officers from the Middle East) I can’t say I have a very high opinion of them or their military’s capability. So how does the US prevent the Nuclear capable Pakistan’s puppets in the Taliban from gaining complete control over Afghanistan? And what weapons are we allowed to use to accomplish this? The Biden administration won’t stop tens of thousands of Covid positive illegals entering our county each week, so my hopes aren’t high they’ll handle Afghanistan right. But he certainly showed a willingness to protect the Afghani government by authorizing another 4k combat troops. I just don’t want to see several hundred Americans die while Democrats decide how long they’ll wait before tossing in the towel eventually.
