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#541 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 321 weeks ago
Around Philadelphia, from what my friends there tell me they are closing liquor stores. Anyone want to explain the logic of that? That's the randomness of this that makes me call bullshit.
#542 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 321 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Why South Korea infections are trending down and Italy's is out of control? South Koreans listened, Italians didn't:.
“They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.”
There was a guy in New York who was getting ready for a flight to Florida when he got the results that he tested positive... He got on the plane and went to Florida anyway. Heard a bunch of these stories.
In France, yesterday a bartender reported that people are still kissing each other to say hello, though they have been warned not to. And last night in Paris some pubs were packed with people sitting on each others' knees and drinking from each others' glasses, with many of those people attending private parties at their friends' afterwards. Hello? Social distancing, anyone? We will see where such behaviour leads to.
There are two groups at risk: seniors and people with compromised immune systems. The rest of us will have cold/flu symptoms if anything. If you are young and healthy and aren't going home to someone in the at risk group, do whatever you want. The easy answer to this is to have the at risk community protected as much as possible...how do you do that? Make them responsible for protecting themselves. They stay home. Keep visitors out of hospitals and nursing homes. If you have elderly family with you, don't partake in risky behaviors. I'll never understand why we have to screw everybody over to protect people that are completely capable of protecting themselves in most cases and have facilities/family capable of protecting them in the case of people in hospitals/nursing homes.
The world has had illnesses long before modern medicine. People die...we need people to die. The planet can't support people living much longer. It's the circle of life. Now that doesn't mean that if you're more at risk you shouldn't protect yourself, but that's what it is...you should protect yourself or those responsible for you should protect you. I don't agree that shutting the world down is the way to handle this. There is far more damage being done to more people by the irrational destruction of the economy than what is being gained by this overreaction. We've had illnesses like this off and on for at least a decade. This isn't different at all...people at risk died in those too. We got through them all just fine. Why is this one suddenly worth fucking everything up for? It makes no sense unless you want to get into a political discussion (and not just a US discussion), which we are avoiding here.
#543 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 322 weeks ago
Quite frankly i don’t trust anyone else’s opinions about what’s happening.
Accusing people who are being cautious as giving into fear mongering isn’t necessary. Hoarding TP actually amuses me some.
Not the Least of all, I don’t trust my government right now.
This isn't cautious mitch, it's full blown panic. There's been nothing cautious about any of this. It's been knee-jerk reaction after knee-jerk reaction. Caution isn't letting emotion make decisions. Caution isn't creating fear and panic in response to something you don't understand.
Caution is protecting those most at risk. Why aren't nursing homes and hospitals on lockdown in regards to visitors? Those are the people at risk. Has anyone not elderly or with a severe health issue died or had serious complications? To most of the population, this is a severe upper-respiratory thing that will go away. Caution is taking a consistent approach rather than one that's all over the place. Can't go on a cruise, but my brother that just got off of a cruise can fly home? There's absolutely zero logic to any of this.
When fear and panic control your decision making, it's not going to end well. It's not caution to shut the world down when so few are at risk from something. It's irresponsible. Far, far, FAR more people are being hurt by the response to this than the virus itself and that is an absolute fact nobody not in complete denial can even try to debate.
#544 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 322 weeks ago
We went shopping this morning. Didn't stock up on anything, but did buy a couple packets of tuna in case all hell breaks loose. Other than that we bought food for the week that we would normally buy. We bought a couple bottles of wine as well. For the most part the store was fairly well stocked. They were out of some meats, some pastas and canned goods were lower than usual, but there was milk and bread.
Then we went across the street to the liquor store for a large bottle of fireball.
The grocery store and target were both out of TP. We were able to get some at the dollar store...they were low, but not out. We bought 1 package and left the rest for others that might need it. There are pictures on FB about stores the next town over being completely picked over; ours wasn't so bad, but we did go earlier than normal just in case. For at least a brief moment, I have some faith in the local humanity.
#545 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 322 weeks ago
Without getting political, the biggest issue with how this has been handled is the seemingly shotgun or dartboard solutioning. There's a specific demographic that seems to be most at risk and that is the elderly and people with compromised immune systems. I'm still waiting for the decisions to protect those people.
Right now I cannot get on a cruise ship, which is fine. A lot of passengers are elderly and it's a lot of at risk people in a small area. Let's minimize that until we have a better handle on things. What I can do though is sit in an airport with far more people than get on a cruise ship, fly across the country, walk through another airport with a different group of far more people than a cruise ship, and walk into a hospital or nursing home with actual at risk people with no questions asked. There's no logic to the decisions being made. It's like a dam is about to burst and someone is patching little holes with rubber cement. People/companies are making irrational, knee-jerk reactions out of fear. And the fear isn't that someone will die, it's that they will face public lashings for not giving into the fear mongering when someone does.
I'm not keeping up with the death toll...I think CNN said 40ish yesterday total in the US. Most of those were in one nursing home if I remember correctly. You know...the at risk population huddled in small locations that anyone can walk into not showing symptoms of the illness because for many people this is such a non-issue if they get it. This whole thing is being handled backwards and it's all because of fear of public perception and not at all by the actual situation.
If we end up with Italian numbers, it's going to be because poor decisions were made along the way for the wrong reasons. Stores were out of silly things like TP. Whatever. Now stores are running out of food because irresponsible outlets are telling people to be prepared for weeks of isolation. If people think the healthcare system isn't prepared if there is an influx of people in the small population that could get serious illness from this, what in the world would make them think that retail could handle a run on food from the entire population? Even people like me that think this is ridiculous and completely out of control have to wonder if we need to go buy food because other people are idiots...
#546 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 322 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Ok....
When it gets right down to it u just don’t trust people like you.
Their is nothing objective about your opinion and you do say it repeatedly by the things you choose to and choose not to acknowledge...
I have no desire to convince you of anything...but make no mistake about it...your opinion is worth less than nothing to me...
Well we're even on one thing at least.
You're incapable of having a discussion. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is wrong and you go out of your way as I just proved to discredit them with lies and deceit.
If you want to engage in discussion, take the panties off and be a big boy. If you don't, crawl back into your hole again and disappear. Every time you lie about anything I said I am going to pound on you. Every time. With no sports due to irrational panic, I have plenty of time to do that. If you don't care about my opinion, you have no reason to make shit up about me.
Aww so sorry to inconvenience you...sports got canceled...boo hoo...now who’s the snowflake?
How many jobs have you created In your life? When have you ever done anything the mattered?
So sad you’ve been inconvenienced.
People are listening more to people like me right now than ignorant assholes who say, ‘do nothing and pretend this isn’t happening’ which is basically all you’ve ever offered.
I haven't tried to offer anything mitch - I certainly can't fuck things up any more than they already are. But let's look at things realistically. CNN showed (I believe) 4000 cases and 40ish deaths in the US. Let's say it's 40,000 and 400 deaths in case I got the numbers wrong. We've completely trashed the economy for that. I don't give a shit who you are, that's foolish. They admit over and over that they don't know much about it (a doctor who is in Congress just now said something to that effect). "We don't know" over and over (her exact words in the interview with Wolf) so we're literally in a fucking stupid panic over something because we don't understand it. Not because it's done anything...it can be spread by asymptomatic people is the best she could offer. Really? Is that the only fucking illness that spreads from asymptomatic people? It's fear mongering. Actual doctors have said on TV stop panicking...I don't see CNN playing those interviews. They are going out of their way to play worst case scenarios as the only scenario.
If you're old or compromised, stay away from the public. Done. Take fucking responsibility for yourself instead of crippling the whole country to protect such a small amount of people actually impacted.
#547 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 322 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:That’s my honest interpretation of what you say in your posts.
As someone who works in healthcare and relies on healthcare and invests in it...both personally and professionally...you crediting Trump on this issue is absurd.
If I’m wrong...I’m wrong. It’s not spin.
So again, I never said it but your snowflake ass feels like I said it. Go home mitch.
Ok....
When it gets right down to it u just don’t trust people like you.
Their is nothing objective about your opinion and you do say it repeatedly by the things you choose to and choose not to acknowledge...
I have no desire to convince you of anything...but make no mistake about it...your opinion is worth less than nothing to me...
Well we're even on one thing at least.
You're incapable of having a discussion. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is wrong and you go out of your way as I just proved to discredit them with lies and deceit.
If you want to engage in discussion, take the panties off and be a big boy. If you don't, crawl back into your hole again and disappear. Every time you lie about anything I said I am going to pound on you. Every time. With no sports due to irrational panic, I have plenty of time to do that. If you don't care about my opinion, you have no reason to make shit up about me.
#548 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 322 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:You’re saying Trump has done more than.....more than....more than....
You say it over and over again...
It isnt acceptable to me that you turn a blind eye to this and repeatedly reject my point of view but tolerate Trump and his approach.
You say it to me every time you rebuke a my point of view and I consider myself the only Democrat on this board.
I think I said that in one post. Maybe two. But nowhere will you or did you ever see me say dems don't know anything about healthcare. Own it. You fucked up. Stop trying to spin, just own.
That’s my honest interpretation of what you say in your posts.
As someone who works in healthcare and relies on healthcare and invests in it...both personally and professionally...you crediting Trump on this issue is absurd.
If I’m wrong...I’m wrong. It’s not spin.
So again, I never said it but your snowflake ass feels like I said it. Go home mitch.
#549 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 322 weeks ago
Does anyone actually watch the press conferences, or is getting sound bytes from CNN, Trevor Noah, or John Oliver sufficient?
I can't listen to trump...he's a buffoon.
#550 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 322 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:You said that you don’t think I know shit about health care...I’m a Dem and based on your most recent posts you seek to think Trump has done more than Obama (or anyone)...
I don’t see it that way....in fact, I feel as though public services are how we show each other as Americans that we are in this together....and as this is coming to a head, it’s another example of how we aren’t.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The economy, which is so precious, supersedes everything.
So...I didn't say it? Is that what you're saying?
You’re saying Trump has done more than.....more than....more than....
You say it over and over again...
It isnt acceptable to me that you turn a blind eye to this and repeatedly reject my point of view but tolerate Trump and his approach.
You say it to me every time you rebuke a my point of view and I consider myself the only Democrat on this board.
I think I said that in one post. Maybe two. But nowhere will you or did you ever see me say dems don't know anything about healthcare. Own it. You fucked up. Stop trying to spin, just own.
