I know the liberals(including Obama) want diversion tactics in the hopes no one realizes that Obama is an empty suit, but its not gonna work.

Time to deal with issues.

What if I didn't like a certain minority or or people of a certain persuasion.  Could I just outlaw them from my business?  Could I pass a law that banned all "undesireables" from a public establishment?

PaSnow wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

Such policies are already going into affect by banning smoking and trans fat in foods.

This is one of the best laws my local government has ever imposed. I can't goto bars in the suburbs anymore, can't stand the smoke. Oddly enough, it didn't bother me as much before they passed the bill, but now that most places I visit can't allow smoking I'm 110% for it.

Randall Flagg wrote:

Freedom means the ability to make choices on your own without permission from others.

Kinda like abortion.

Such bans are a violation of property owners rights.  Just as I can't tell you what to permit and deny in your home, you shouldn't be able to tell me what I can allow or deny in my privately owned business.   Tom's bar isn't a place you need to go or have a right to enjoy.  If Tom wants to cater to smokers as his clientele, he should be able to.  No one is forcing you to enter that establishment.  Just because you don't like something doesn't give you the authority to outlaw it.  I don't like rap music and find it offensive, should I be able to pass a law that bans rap from public businesses?

And on the abortion issue, that itself begs many questions.  And to debate that would require many many hours of debate and the assumption you're read up on the numerous court cases that have dealt with it.  I am pro-choice or better put, I support the abortion of unwanted children that would grow-up in poor homes and serve as a burden to society.   But their is a fundamental problem with abortion that no one has been able to answer.   All Americans have a right to life as defined by our laws.  The question remains, when does one become a human being and thus an American protected by those laws.  Or better articulated, when does a fetus become a baby.  Any answer your provide me will be arbitray, so the only valid answer is really conception.  You could of course go the opposite route and say when it's capable of thought and feeling, but that would mean 3-4 months after it is born and I don't know if your or the public would want to endorse infanticide.   I agree that I have problems coming to my conclusion on this subject.   But in the original Roe v. Wade, the standard for life was when the baby could survive outside the womb.  With the increase in technology, that could soon be as soon as conception occurs.