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#5631 Re: The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 922 weeks ago
Whatever.. I never heard Obama call her "Mayor". Did he say she "was a mayor" or call her "Mayor" as in current tense. Anyway, how about Palin teasing Obama for passing up big $$ in the corporate law world to work with the poor in Southside Chicago as a Community Organizer. Really classy. Anyway, when I first heard about her, I heard she was a mayor of a town for years. I assumed it wasn't a town of 5,000 people.
#5632 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 922 weeks ago
Here's a valid point I read on another site, so I won't take credit for it as my own. But when she states repeatedly "We cannot second guess Isreal striking Iran", she obviously cannot mean it per se under ANY circumstance (ie, if Isreal bombed Iran tomorrow would we immediately 100% back Israel??). It's just a line she learned in her cram sessions. She is thinking of the most cardboard, cookie-cutter, black and white scenario, because she has no idea how complicated and nuanced these situations can be, because she's never really thought about them before. So we really have no idea how she would react, or what thought process she would follow. And I don't think she does either. Keep in mind we're talking about nuclear war (or "Nucular war" as she & W refer to it) here, not economic plans, or pro-choice/pro-life agendas.
GIBSON: What if Israel decided it felt threatened and needed to take out the Iranian nuclear facilities?
PALIN: Well, first, we are friends with Israel and I don't think that we should second guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security.
GIBSON: So if we wouldn't second guess it and they decided they needed to do it because Iran was an existential threat, we would cooperative or agree with that.
PALIN: I don't think we can second guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation.
GIBSON: So if it felt necessary, if it felt the need to defend itself by taking out Iranian nuclear facilities, that would be all right.
PALIN: We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself.
#5633 Re: The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 922 weeks ago
The burden of proof lies to you because you made this statement:
You guys wanted a campaign like this
I just want you to prove whatever it is you are referring to.
#5634 Re: The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 922 weeks ago
Name one "false" ad Obama aired??
Also, 'misleading'?? Factcheck.org was talking about the dailykos rumors yet McCain uses it as talking about Obama's campaign!!
It'd be so funny if the FCC stepped in on this ad. Because they can you know.
#5635 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 922 weeks ago
Answering screened questions on O'Reilly has nothing to do with his lack of knowledge. I actually think it was a smart move to go on that show, but in my opinion was too little too late.
Again with the biased excuses. Obama had "screened question" but Palin was thrown curveballs like the excruciating question about the Bush Doctrine that just about every other politician knows what it is... The only reason you didn't hear much about Obama on O'Reilly is because he held his own, and didn't say dumb things like he has foreign policy experience because he can "see Russia" from his state. WTF??
Too little too late?? It's almost 2 months away with the debates & VP debates. As I've said many times, I'm not worried. The American public is catching on that Palin needs to stay as far away from the White House as she can, and that place is Alaska. And McCain & Karl Rove & their 11 lobbyists aren't "Change", that just making stuff up.
#5636 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 922 weeks ago
I know, you wanted her to write a thesis on the doctrine while Obama gets a free pass for not knowing anything.
Barack Obama went onto Bill O'Reilly so you can toss "free pass" out the window. Geez your biased. Let's see McCain go onto Olbermann??
#5637 Re: The Garden » Even democrats now starting to doubt » 922 weeks ago
Good thinking James. Vote for Palin as VP who's horribly unqualified because she will give the GOP seats in Congress.
How can anyone respect Palin as a candidate? She didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was! She's been outside of the country once! Never met a foreign leader. Yet she thinks she has insights into Russia BECAUSE SHE CAN SEE IT!
#5638 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 922 weeks ago
Sarah Palin interview: pundits give mixed reviews
Sarah Palin's first television interview since becoming John McCain's Republican running mate attracted mixed reviews.
By Jon Swaine
Last Updated: 1:21PM BST 12 Sep 2008
Mrs Palin has given only scripted speeches since her explosive arrival into the White House race three weeks ago Photo: Reuters
Mrs Palin appeared to have been "well-rehearsed" in briefings from the McCain campaign, commentators said, but was occasionally "blind-sided" by unanticipated questions.
The 44-year-old governor of Alaska said she "didn't blink" when asked by Mr McCain to take the job and that she would have the same reaction if forced to take the reins of the presidency.
The self-styled "hockey mom", who portrayed herself as a "pitbull in lipstick" during her party's national convention, took a tough line on national security and foreign policy in her discussion with Charles Gibson of ABC World News.
She "presented a confident face in what was considered an important early test of her knowledge of foreign affairs," according to The Boston Globe.
She said she supported Mr McCain's stance that the Russian invasion of Georgia was "unacceptable" and added that the US may have to go to war if it were repeated, in a comment likely to re-ignite debates over her readiness to step in as commander-in-chief.
Asked whether the US would have to fight Russia if it were to invade Georgia and the former soviet state had joined Nato, Mrs Palin said: "Perhaps so.
"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a Nato ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help."
Questions have been raised over Mrs Palin's foreign policy experience and ability to take over as president should anything happen to Mr McCain, who is 72 and has suffered several bouts of cancer.
The Washington Post newspaper said her comments were "strikingly devoid of the diplomatic language generally used by US officials when discussing relations with Russia".
"She appeared to echo the tougher language of her running mate," it said.
The Los Angeles Times said that Mrs Palin's interview "wasn't without stumbles".
"The Alaska governor reversed her stand on the cause of climate change, telling ABC News that she believes "man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming." Less than a year ago, she said the opposite," the newspaper said.
The New York Times said Mrs Palin appeared to be like an "eager student, someone who has crammed for an exam and was repeating talking points."
It said her performance "appeared extremely rehearsed, especially when she repeated three times that she did not want to 'second guess' Israel".
However it added that "she seemed blind-sided by the question about the Bush doctrine", explaining that she failed to recognise the expression, which commonly used to describe the neoconservative foreign policy of the current administration.
Instead, the newspaper said, Mrs Palin guessed that Mr Gibson was asking about Mr Bush's "world view", forcing the presenter to "explain later that he wanted to know what she thought of his idea of 'anticipatory self-defence'.
It said this was cause for concern. "Granted, this might not be something that your average hockey mom would know," it said, "but it probably is something that a commander-in-chief-in-waiting might have considered." Mrs Palin also paid tribute to her son Track, who is to serve with the US armed forces in Iraq.
She said: "I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer."
#5639 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 922 weeks ago
Obama was in a racist church for 20 years where the mantra was "God damn America". Do you see any insinuation that Reverend Wright's beliefs and his influence on Obama will play a role on US policy? No, and its this double standard that I'm sick of. A woman with strong beliefs is painted as the devil by liberals but a liberal can hibernate in a racist church for 20 years and its considered a wonderful thing.
First off, where were you in the spring time when Obama took PLENTY of shit over his church?? So you can toss "Sexism" and "media bias" out the window.
Second, Barack himself didn't say "God Damn America" his pastor did. Sarah herself said the war is "God's mission" and also said she "believes it's God's will to put a pipeline in Alaska".
#5640 The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 922 weeks ago
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So stupid they can't even get facts straight using FACTCHECK.ORG?!?
Analysis: McCain ad twists truth
By The Associated Press - 1 day ago
TITLE: "Fact Check."
LENGTH: 30 seconds.
AIRING: The campaign would not disclose where this ad will air other than to say in "key states" where McCain already is running commercials. That lack of information raises questions about how often this ad will be seen by voters or whether it was simply made to generate news stories and publicity.
SCRIPT: Announcer: "The attacks on Governor Palin have been called 'completely false' ... 'misleading.' And, they've just begun. The Journal reports Obama 'air-dropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers' into Alaska to dig dirt on Governor Palin. As Obama drops in the polls, he'll try to destroy her. Obama's 'politics of hope?' Empty words." McCain: "I'm John McCain and I approved this message."
KEY IMAGES: Palin and Obama are shown, as well as what appears to be a pack of wolves running through brush. McCain also is shown.
ANALYSIS:
This ad takes the truth and twists it.
The campaign asserts that "attacks on Governor Palin have been called 'completely false' and 'misleading" '” and uses pictures of Obama to suggest that the Democrat has been spreading lies about Palin.
To back up its claim, McCain's team points to comments made by prominent Democrats, including some with links to Obama's campaign, incorrectly aligning Palin with Pat Buchanan and a fringe political group in which some members supported Alaska's secession from the United States.
More prominently, McCain's ad quotes a nonpartisan online organization called factcheck.org.
But the group wasn't referring to Obama when it talked of false and misleading attacks. Rather, it referenced Internet rumors, saying: "We've been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain's running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false or misleading."
At the same time, the McCain ad takes Obama's campaign to task over a Wall Street Journal column that said operatives were going to "dig into her record and background." The ad distorts that by saying "dig dirt."
Obama's campaign has called the Journal report "false," and Obama spokesman Josh Earnest said in a conference call that "there are no Obama or DNC staffers or researchers that were air-dropped into Alaska." He declined to answer whether Democratic lawyers in Alaska had been recruited to do research on Palin in the state.
What McCain doesn't say in the ad is that Republicans also have amassed reams of research on Obama and his running mate Joe Biden after going through their records and backgrounds. This "opposition research" is the norm in modern political campaigns, not that a viewer would know that from the commercial.
It's certainly the case that Obama has criticized Palin, saying that she and McCain don't deserve the label of change agents and are spewing "empty words."
But it remains to be seen whether such criticisms have "just begun" as the ad asserts, and whether Obama really will "try to destroy" Palin as he "drops in polls." Neither of those assertions are drawn from facts; McCain's campaign simply is saying what it believes will happen without offering voters any proof.
McCain's ad claims that Obama is spreading misleading information about Palin, yet it was unveiled one day after the GOP ticket itself released its own commercial that stretched the facts.
That ad said that Obama's only education accomplishment was legislation to teach sex education to kindergartners. Obama voted for the sex education bill in committee in 2003 as an Illinois states senator, but he was not the sponsor of that legislation. The bill also would have required age-appropriate information in schools and would have allowed parents to pull their children from sex education classes if they wished. It never became law.
