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#571 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 325 weeks ago
I actually had somebody from Mayor Pete's team stop by my house last weekend ahead of super Tuesday. She was younger...I think a bit ideological in her thinking not understanding the practicality of it all. She seemed to support Pete not because of any specific thing he stands for, but because he was the youngest candidate and can't be any worse than the old people that have been elected. Even if there's no policy reason for her support, I respect the reasoning behind it.
I talked to her for about 20 minutes...she was polite, respectful, and had her talking points down. She asked right away if I was voting in the Democratic primary, to which I said no. She started to walk away while asking if I was voting for Trump, but she stopped when I said no to that as well. That's when the actual dialogue began. It would have been better if she could have articulated reasons beyond his age to support Pete, but other than that she represented him fine. There was no hate; she didn't look down on me for not supporting her guy.
One thing I've noticed over the years (and this is super-generalizing and painting with as broad of a brush as I can find): younger people seem to lean Democratic. They fall in love with the ideology of what they stand for with no regard for the practicality of it. As people get older, they start to realize the practical side of things and lean more Republican. It's not because they are older; it's because they see things with a different perspective. I don't think there are many Alex Keatons in the world. Most people are somewhere in the middle leaning one way or the other. For whatever reason (and I know I've been saying this for at least a decade now) the extremes are getting more and more power on both sides and the masses in the middle aren't being represented by anyone. This system doesn't work like that and it will implode sooner or later.
#572 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 325 weeks ago
Since the tone of the thread is much - more civil - than it has been historically, I think I'm ready to actively participate on a limited basis until that changes. First point - welcome back mitch...not convinced you were ever really gone, but if you were, it's good to have your point of view voiced again. It was a bit one sided in here without you.
One thing I will say is for the economy to be strong, the gov't jobs are as necessary as the private sector is. Wipe out either of them and we're all in trouble. This idea that downsizing the gov't is one that people need to be careful with even if it sounds good in theory. Some of this stuff whether I agree with it fundamentally or not is here to stay or at least until an actual replacement can be found in the private sector. You can't just wipe out SS, medicare/medicaid, food stamps, etc. Not without a backup plan. Not only do real people depend on these things, but the economy does too.
#573 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 325 weeks ago
I can't believe how this is going, and I can't believe I'm saying it, but if the rumors are true and Bloomberg announces Hillary as his VP here soon, it's over. Bloomberg gets the nomination.
If that happens it will be a repeat of 2016 with Bernie supporters staying home...can you imagine how pissed they would be?
Oh, and Bloomberg won't survive a year in the role if by some miracle he wins. He'll fall to the Clinton Curse.
#574 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 336 weeks ago
Where did I ever bring up the Democrats in any way? You're grasping at straws here.
Put a Democrat in office, have them do the same stuff, and I'll call them out as well. I spent a good eight years doing exactly that-- drone wars, shitty QE policy, outright lies on the ACA, I could go on.
Try harder.
Lol. You accused me of being a trump apologist and now you're following that up with telling me I'm grasping for straws? Ironic at best.
#575 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 336 weeks ago
No blind hatred here. All I said is it's not an excuse and yes, it makes you an apologist if you think being the same as everyone else somehow makes it all okay. When Trump marketed himself as the guy who would "drain the swamp" or whatever horseshit he insisted on and then proceeds to act exactly like Swamp Thing, it makes his hypocrisy that much more rightfully magnified.
Using your definition then, you're a democratic apologist...somehow you think that makes it ok.
#576 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 336 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Its disturbing how many people think that these traits are unique to Trump and all these other politicians are squeaky clean and only worried about the well being of the middle class...
It's also amazing how many Trump apologists use this as a defense of the guy.
"Well yeah he's terrible, but so is everyone else." Fuck that and fuck your Soviet-style whataboutism.
Welcome back.
Hate is a powerful weapon. Just because other people see a fuller picture than your blind hatred allows you to see doesn't make them an apologist.
#577 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 336 weeks ago
Its disturbing how many people think that these traits are unique to Trump and all these other politicians are squeaky clean and only worried about the well being of the middle class...
#578 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 338 weeks ago
Flagg (and others), just curious, do you believe:
1. Trump didn't do it.
2. Not enough was proven that he did do it to impeach.
3. He did it but it's not a crime/impeachable offense.
I am sure he did something. I'm not convinced the something is any different than what has happened before. It certainly isn't so much worse than what has happened before because if the Democrats really had something it would be out already. Trump is sleazy. We know.
I think unless there was no other way out, there's no way the Republicans impeach him. They would stall for the election before they impeached him and nominate someone else. I also believe the Democrats would do the exact same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.
#579 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 338 weeks ago
Sonland's testimony was the death blow today, not even sure why we are continuing past this point. Trump, Pence, Giuliani and Mulvaney all thrown under the bus.
Pompeo is also about to resign.
If Trump was smart, he would too.
Some people never learn...
#580 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 340 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Yawn...wake me when something actually happens. Honestly you've cried wolf so many times I wouldn't even believe you...you'd definitely need to provide a legitimate source.
Right. Fox News isn't a legitimate source
Guess I gotta search Brietbart.
I challenge you to find one time I've used either source. Just one. Go...
That should keep you off the conspiracy porn you seem to enjoy for some time considering I've never read the latter (ever) and barely have seen the former. Believe it or not the few times I watch national news its CNN or NBC. Chew on that for a bit...
