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#591 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck » 867 weeks ago

-D- wrote:

Cornell is like Myles Kennedy... great voice etc, i can see why people like him but neither do anything for me... I don't feel anything when they sing... it just feels like the same song over and over and over..

With Axl.. he just has a way of touching the bottom depths of your soul with his voice

of course TIL is terrible lyrically, but Axl with his voice and emotion makes it work. same withTWAT

on paper,sure, Cornell is deeper and uses fancier words.. but sometimes simple is better.

There are two people i love every song they've ever done and that is Axl and Jon Bon Jovi.. both have a way with melodies and song crafting that makes whatever they do awesome.

Cornell and Myles Kennedy shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.  Myles is much more of a stock rock singer who writes very average lyrics. 

I'm not going to even waste my time refuting anything you've said about Cornell since it's obvious you haven't heard nearly enough of his work to give him an honest chance.

Well, that and you think Bon Jovi is good.  16

I would like to know how exactly Cornell uses 'fancier' words?  I guess, what is your definition of 'fancy' words?...

Karma goes to James for the description of Overfloater.  You nailed it.

There have been maybe two songs by Axl that I've listened to that have hit me on a level that I am uncomfortable with.

There are many more Cornell songs that have struck a chord with me and I'm actually uncomfortable with how brazenly honest and deep his lyrics are.  That and they are always backed by the perfect music and vocals which amplifies the effect ten fold.  Cornell is his writing somehow can break down every wall and write on a level that is nothing short of 100% honesty.

Another thing about him that makes him such an amazing writer is how non-narcissistic he is in his writing.  When he writes, you can see that he makes mistakes and knows the consequences.

When I'm Down is the perfect description of that relationship that only lasts so long as one partner is fulfilling their need to help someone else out.  As soon as that aspect is lost, the dynamic of the relationship falls apart.  And it's a mutual thing, both people are only in love so long as one person is down and the other is happy.  That for me is deeper than someone lamenting about being heartbroken.

#592 Re: Guns N' Roses » Caracas, Venezuela - March 27, 2010 (Poliedro de Caracas) » 867 weeks ago

Looks like they've gone to the same thing every night again.

#593 Re: The Sunset Strip » STP Walks out on Scott at Show » 867 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:
Saikin wrote:

But he also went on to say that isn't a problem anymore because when he drinks he doesn't get a craving for heroine anymore.

Nice trade off. 14

I know right.

According the multiple sources the show last night went off amazingly and was being filmed for VH1.  Scott seemed sober, but then again his daughter was there.

#594 Re: The Sunset Strip » STP Walks out on Scott at Show » 867 weeks ago

faldor wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

Yeah i don't think anyone would do that for PR to that level.

I think as faldor said if its substances of any kind it might just be that the full effects kicked in at that point and he went from being able to function in the song, to not being able to.

That just seems like the most logical explanation to me.  I've reached that level so many times.  I'm drinking and feeling good, pretty coherent, then all of a sudden BAM!  I mean it seems drastic sitting here watching it, but it's completely feasible.  The major problem if that is the case is his sobriety.  Is he supposedly clean right now?  Or is he just supposedly in control?  Either way, he doesn't seem to be all there in that clip.

According to him he's only into alcohol and won't give that up.  But he also went on to say that isn't a problem anymore because when he drinks he doesn't get a craving for heroine anymore.

#595 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck » 867 weeks ago

Except for the fact that Times of Trouble and Overfloater are vastly different songs both lyrically and musically where songs like November Rain and This I Love are fairly similar.

#596 Re: The Sunset Strip » STP Walks out on Scott at Show » 867 weeks ago

That video was really hard to watch.  I have no idea what the fuck he was even singing and he seemed oblivious to the fact that the rest of the band had quit.

#597 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck » 867 weeks ago

Those are some awful lyrics James.  16

Those songs both deal with a similar subject but both are written entirely different.  I don't think that's a bad thing. 

Axl sang about women right?  Here's some Cornell songs.

Yesterday To Tomorrow lyrics

Beauty is what the eyes behold
And you burn brighter than most
I chased you through the midnight streets
To be where I could speak freely

I didn't care what tomorrow held
I felt the world turning only for us
Only bliss now for you and me
Rise up let life's kiss send us reeling

And unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets and no remorse

We have more than everything
More than man or machine
More than luck
More than fiction
Higher than any religion

And unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets and no remorse

We'll squeeze the blood out of life
And say goodnight to the silver of old
Even when wrong we're right
Far beyond the world of diamonds and gold
I've come to realize
Where happiness lies
I want you to know I know

And unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets no remorse



When I'm Down lyrics


What say you now?
The door is opening on your vigil
And I'm in my usual way
I save my breath, knowing what you're
Wanting me to say
I only love you when I'm down

You say that midnight opens its arms to me
Leaving you alone, and I fly so far away
Until the light blurs my vision
And I have nowhere to roam
I only love you when I'm down

And I only love you when I'm down
And I'm only near you when I'm gone
But one thing for you to keep in mind, you know
I'm down all the time

Well I know you're reaching out
And you need to feel my hand
You want to be understood, yeah well I understand

I know you hold precious little hope for me
And in your hapiness
I'm always drowning in my grief

And I only love you when I'm down
And I'm only near you when I'm gone
But one thing for you to keep in mind, you know
I'm down all the time
All the time, all the time, all the time

A lot less cheesy than other songs we could bring up by Axl.  The heaviest song Axl ever wrote is by far the cheesiest and I can imagine a few adult contemporary singers releasing it.

#598 Re: The Sunset Strip » STP Walks out on Scott at Show » 867 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Seemed to start ok, then got bad. He definitely lost sync a few times. Either he's on something, drunk, or just isn't rehearsing at all with the band (Didn't VR say something like that).

Anyway, seems kinda fishy though he manages almost a whole show good (from what people said in the writeup). Then the last 3 songs stunk. Just calling it like I see it. Could be a PR thing.

He was seen drinking throughout the show.  That could be it.

He's played Dead And Bloated many times recently (every show) and done it just fine.  It's not a lack of rehearsal. 

I kinda hope it is just a ploy and he's only doing it for PR.  If not, he shouldn't be fronting STP.  Those guys are incredibly professional and they don't need to be putting up with that bullshit from him.

#599 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck » 867 weeks ago

-D- wrote:

This Cornell is better than Axl thing is ridiculous

Axl has a way more diverse voice... he had like 3 or 4 different voices.. Cornell has the same tired vocal melody etc and lets don't even get started on lyrics

Please elaborate?  If you think Cornell has one voice you haven't listened to enough of his stuff. 

Same thing could be said for Axl if people had only heard the singles. 

Please, let's get started on lyrics.  Cornell hasn't written the same song about being heartbroken for the past 20 some years. 

You have up to this point provided no proof to back up anything you're claiming. 

I'll say it again:  I want to see Axl strap on an acoustic guitar and put on a show half as good as Cornell.

#600 The Sunset Strip » STP Walks out on Scott at Show » 867 weeks ago

Saikin
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ejsme posted this on the BelowEmpty.com forums:

To me, Scott seemed intoxicated throughout the show. Seemed drunk or I thought maybe the pain pills because of the heel. He did keep sipping on some beverage throughout the show, but I don'™t know what it was. Although he sounded really slurry and rambling when talking between songs, he actually did a great job for most of the show. It was excellent and thoroughly enjoyable. And the DeLeos didn'™t seem mad at him or anything. Dean actually came up and played his guitar with the neck stuck between Weiland'™s legs at one point.

But'¦ once they got to Dead & Bloated, partway in, Scott got completely lost and just seemed to forget the whole song, lyrics and melody. They tried to kind of go into a little jammy part to cover until they could get their bearings, but it just kind got more and more off track and Scott never seemed to be able to pick back up. So, Dean walks off to the side and switches guitars and they go into LoungeFly. Dean walked up to Scott and took out his ear monitor and said something into his ear. I thought, 'Oh maybe it'™s all just a technical issue with Scott'™s monitor and he'™s not wasted.�  Scott seemed to start off okay, a little bit off, but then by the time they got to the acoustic section, he was behind the beat and sounded like a sloppy drunk guy singing at a wedding.

The band kept trying to kind of pause and try to follow Scott or give him a chance to find the right part, but he just seemed to keep changing to different parts of the song. I saw Robert look at Dean and shake his head, as if to say, 'this isn'™t going to be salvagable�  and then, finally, the Deleos took off their instruments and walked to the side of the stage. Kretz keep drumming and Weiland seemed oblivious to the fact that there was no more guitar and bass. He keep kind of improvising on the melody and singing until Kretz played an ending-of-the-song kind of drum thing to try to signal to Scott to wrap it up, but he kept singing a bit after that. Then Kretz got up and walked right past Scott without looking at him or touching him, and off the stage on the same side that the Deleos went. Scott finally then walked off stage on the other side.

The lights went down and I really didn'™t think that they'™d even try to do an encore. A little while later, Weiland walks back onstage and starts to introduce Piece of Pie. The rest of the band comes on and Dean stops and says something in Scott'™s ear and then Scott drunkingly mumbles something like, 'No piece of pie for yooooou. This is Trippin.�  Then they go into Trippin'™ and Scott seems to just barely be able to keep up with the song and seems to fall behind a bit. I thought it was odd though, that during these songs where everything was going wrong, Scott almost seemed oblivious to the fact that he was messing up. It'™s like he kept right on dancing and posing and singing like he thought he was doing great. He never looked embarrassed or frustrated. You'™d think he would'™ve tried to play it off by saying 'Oops, I messed that up.�  or somehow acknowledge that the song got screwed up. He even said something, I think it was right before DAB, about 'You might just be the best audience ever.�  And Dean said something about 'Do you wanna play the Rave with us?�

Anyway, after Trippin'™ the band starts to walk to the front of the stage to say their goodbyes and bow and everything. Dean is the first to get up front and I distinctly saw him mouth 'Sorry�  to the audience and kind of wave. Then Weiland gets up front followed by Kretz and Robert and I was actually suprised that they all stood so close to Scott after all of this. But again, Weiland, seemed oblivious to the disaster. He'™s up there, head high like he just rocked the place, patting his hand over his heart, kind of like 'You guys are so great, I'™m touched.�  and then does this dramatic salute. Then the Deleos and Kretz walk off to one side of the stage again and Weiland says something into the mic that I couldn'™t understand (from the other posts, it seems to be something about cocksucker blues) and then exits on the opposite side. And now we all wait to hear what the aftermath of this is going to be. My guess is that the Deleos & Kretz just let it fly because they just accept that Scott'™s gonna have his good days and his bad days and that'™s just something they'™re gonna have to deal with to have STP. Weiland will probably just say something about how it'™s an unpredictable rock n roll show or blame it on equipment issues. But, who knows'¦

fredisidle posted this:

The Deleo'™s deserve a lot of credit here'¦ They gave Scott every chance tonight, you could tell they had some code to tell him when he was out of sync. They kept going over by Kretz and trying to get the song back on track. Also, the audio guys just lowered Scott'™s mic volume until it sounded better, which seemed to cover up most of the problem until the meltdown on Dead and Bloated. To the normal person, it probably just looked like Scott was having a great time.

After Sex Type Thing, Dead and Bloated, and Lounge Fly all went south and the Deleo'™s walked off clearly not happy'¦ but they came back to do Trippin'™ even though they seemed embarrased by Scott and wanted to just leave. They are classy people and deserve a lot of credit for trying to do whats right for the fans.

I think a lot of the crowed was plastered, and marginal STP fans, so the tweets might just be reflective of what your moderate STP fan would think.

nicks posted this:
OK. Sorry. Scott was fucking up words for a good part of the show. When it got to D&B he totally forgot them and the melody. DeLeos were just looking at each other and stopped playing. Robert walked almost off stage. Kretz finally stopped but Scott was just signing mumble jumbles. Dean pulled Scott'™s monitors and he actually sounded better after that, but they ended up quitting the song.

They went to Lounge Fly, but Robert and Dean looked really reluctant. Scott was still messing it up and just into the acoustic part, both DeLeos walked off. Kretz soon followed.

A couple minutes later they all came back on. Scott tried to introduce Po'™P, but then said Trippin. They played that OK, but you could see the disgust in the D'™s faces.

After that they did the group waving goodbye/thank you thing. The 3 walked off to the left. Scott grabbed a mic, said something like 'boys & girls, ladies & Gentlemen, cocksuckers'¦ï¿½  then walked off to the right.

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