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#6061 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:My point in every post is that this will never be a commercial success. If it's only on modern rock stations, the album will fail. Songs like this will never hit top 40, and therfore the album cannot rely on this song to launch it. They need to have a song that will appeal to the masses.
Why? AFD went over well because rock was in. It was what loads of people listened to and it was the kinda thing that appeared in the top 40. Now it isn't. GN'R shouldn't conform and try to fit into something just to get in the top 40. They should just release what they think is a good record of the material they wanted to do. Yeah i decided to refer to Axl as they.
That's not what I said.
Think it through. Axl has always looked for acceptance despite his efforts to appear otherwise. Works on album off and on for over a decade. Changes musicians as often as a homeless person changes underwear. Puts out great album, but the single choices are so bad that few hear the whole album. Axl is done and either goes into hiding or a money grab reunion tour happens to pay back the money he still owes because the album flopped. Is that what you want?
#6062 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:You're right - they will just change the station. No need to analyze, just hit a button when a song you don't like comes on. I guarantee you that there will be a lot of people that don't make it through the first verse. The only chance of them listening beyond that is if they want to analyze it, otherwise they'll either change the station or think about something else until the next song comes on.
change the station? first of all, this will be played mostly on modern rock stations. usually there is only one station like that to choose from. MOST people that listen to rock listen mostly to rock and are not gonna change the station to rap or country because they just can't make it through this short song.
secondly, how many poeople at that point are hating the song enough to change it anwyays. whether we like it or not is opinion but this song is obviously fluid enough to avoid annoying people who are rock fans but not into this particular song.
again, you have your opinion, and you are entitled to that but gnr is not trying to impress you - they are trying to impress the masses as much as possible and the people that have heard this song, excluding the really bitter and pathetic die hards that will never be impressed no matter what axl does without slash, are loving this song at about 90 percent and i am reading multiple comments from them saying how "catchy" it is and how awesome it is so i think this song will do well as a single, provided they promote it properly.
My point in every post is that this will never be a commercial success. If it's only on modern rock stations, the album will fail. Songs like this will never hit top 40, and therfore the album cannot rely on this song to launch it. They need to have a song that will appeal to the masses.
GnR better be trying to impress me. Not only have I been a fan since the first time I heard the band, despite not liking most of what I've heard so far, I'm STILL willing to give it a chance. My musical tastes are a lot closer to the audience that you seem to think they need to attract, so if I don't like it, it's probably safe the general public's response is going to be the same. Damn right they need to be trying to impress me.
Let me give you a big middle finger for the bolded part. You don't know me and you don't know anything about me. Too many fucking idiots think they know people based on what they write on the internet...you don't have a fucking clue. Someone needs to provide balance to the people that are willing to cream all over anything Axl touches. I provide a necessary dose of reality when it's needed.
I've been critical of everybody from Slash, Axl, and everybody in between when it's warranted. I've also said good things about all those people when it's deserved. Bitterness left years ago. Reality can look pretty bitter when it doesn't agree with your point of view and won't back down.
#6063 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
This song fucking rules:drool:
Should be most excellent live/
Party on Wayne!
#6064 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
Absolutely, but factual at the same time. I agree, vanilla modern rock stations are annoying. On the other hand, I don't hear Hootie and the Blowfish on the radio more than Zombie or NIN.
Yet you tell me
are you living in hole, are your ears clogged with wax, or do you just have selective hearing which you use to make a point
??
Now THAT is ironic. It's cool that you have your dial stuck on whatever 90s alt/industrial station they have wherever you live. That's the ONLY place you're going to hear Zombie, NIN, etc. Go check the rest of the dial. You're in for a rude awakening.
#6065 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:ereeper wrote:why so much negativity?
Well, first off, it's me.
Secondly, it isn't negativity. It's fact. Turn on your radio. Tell me the last time you heard anything like this on it? Whenever the last White Zombie album came out? 1995ish? It's not cutting edge - it's a bunch of 90s music thrown into one pot and stirred. That isn't getting played on the radio anymore. Hootie and the Blowfish, PJ, Nirvana, and Alanis Morrisette are the 90s bands that gets played on the radio today - not Prodigy, NIN, White Zombie, etc. I couldn't tell you the last time I heard any of those bands on the radio or TV.
Why would you expect this to be different?
I agree with some of your points. It was played on a major station in my area, and most of the feedback was negative, although some people noted--if it wasn't GNR, they would like it. Which brings up one thing, that the management must deal with--latent Axl-hatred, for really no good reason. That's a whole different conversation though. Some others said it had a nice industrial vibe. Really, like any song, one should listen a few times before writing it off.
But I must say, what you state as fact, is not true. I mean, what dork-ass Muzak station are you listening to? I have stations in the metro I live in, where I can hear Alanis Morrisette and Hootie in the Blowfish, right next to A-ha, old Madonna (Celebrate, etc)--in other words it's a soft-rock Muzak station (either a Satellite feed, Clear Channel syndicated, or awful elevator station). BTW, Zombie has released some great stuff since 1995, and I listen to a few killer alt. rock/modern rock stations that play Zombie, NIN, Prodigy, etc. So, I am curious, are you living in hole, are your ears clogged with wax, or do you just have selective hearing which you use to make a point? I have watched your messages, which jump off the page like someone with impotence issues who is angry at the world, for awhile. If you added some perspective, other than just slamming everything, maybe one could believe your so-called "facts" more easily. Nonetheless, you have a right to your opinion, albeit it flawed, subjective, and non-factual.
Reading comprehension...look into it.
#6066 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
You're right - they will just change the station. No need to analyze, just hit a button when a song you don't like comes on. I guarantee you that there will be a lot of people that don't make it through the first verse. The only chance of them listening beyond that is if they want to analyze it, otherwise they'll either change the station or think about something else until the next song comes on.
#6067 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
Yeah but honestly, I dont hear any leak thats gonna be a huge phenomenon.
We don't know for certain that we've heard everything, but the truth is that it doesn't have to be a phenomenon, it just has to be something people won't cringe at. I think there has to be a better option than this song. It is probably a good choice for a video game like this, but not the right choice to convince the general public that GnR is back.
#6068 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
I think this shit rocks and is a breath of fresh air. Certainly it has a little ThunderKiss vibe to it but the chorus and stuff is catchy as hell and I can see people liking this. OLD school GNR fans are gonna hate it though.
Old school GnR fans (a huge percentage of the base that would buy it), anybody that favors rap, R&B, pop, the crap they pass off as rock these days, grunge, country, and just about any other genre not called industrial or heavy metal is going to hate the song. Last I checked, that's pretty much anybody that buys records today.
It's fine to release this on a video game, but if they're using this to launch CD too, it's over. Whatever they use to launch the album better be a hell of a lot closer to what's on the radio today or they have no chance. People will have heard this song and started to write off CD before they buy it...one more like it and kiss any sales you might have gotteen from the above list goodbye. I don't like it, but that is the way it is. No Top 40 radio station will ever play this song.
#6069 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
If this song is on Rock Band, it is most certainly going to be accepted by a large group of people. The song isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but putting this on a game of that magnitude will get it noticed by millions of people.
Lets be realistic here.
I do agree that a medley of this would be a fucking disaster. They gotta drop the living in the past crap when going public again.
Yeah, I meant medley...I knew it wasn't right but couldn't come up with the right word.
Sure, it will get noticed by millions of people, but I think you're wayyyyyyyy overstating it's effects. How many albums have you gone out and bought because you played/heard the song on a video game? On top of that, people have to actually like the song to play it over and over again on the game, and again, this song is not even close to radio friendly. In other words, most kids are going to play it once and never play the song again while sticking to the ones they know and like.
#6070 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Chicken Dinner" Shackler's Revenge Leak » 926 weeks ago
why so much negativity?
Well, first off, it's me.
Secondly, it isn't negativity. It's fact. Turn on your radio. Tell me the last time you heard anything like this on it? Whenever the last White Zombie album came out? 1995ish? It's not cutting edge - it's a bunch of 90s music thrown into one pot and stirred. That isn't getting played on the radio anymore. Hootie and the Blowfish, PJ, Nirvana, and Alanis Morrisette are the 90s bands that gets played on the radio today - not Prodigy, NIN, White Zombie, etc. I couldn't tell you the last time I heard any of those bands on the radio or TV.
Why would you expect this to be different?
