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#6201 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
monkeychow wrote:A lot has been said about Slash vs Bucket.
I think we should distinguish between technical ability where bucket owns most guitarists and creative suitibility where slash owns. Yes...slash can't play "Notthinham Lace" but you know what....bucket would NEVER have written the AFD and UYI riffs and melodies even if he's been in the band back then either.
James was making fun of Slash's "yesterdays style solo in rhiad kinda thing, sure - slash always does huge bends with blues notes....but someone could easily give shit to buckethead for his obsession with the killswitch and love of the octave pedal...both of which would have ruined estranged.
Bottom line is - they're both great guitatists for totally different reasons. And sadly neither of them is in the band
Quoted for truth. Having listened to and loved about 10 Buckethead albums and having listened to all of Slashes stuff on AFD, UYI, and with Velvet you have to be joking if you think either one could re-create each other's styles.
That's what I was trying to say - I just said it in an Axl Rose style...not really direct and full of words that can be interpreted in different ways.
#6202 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
Guns N' Roses is Axl Rose, and in these leaks I see him using any and all means to fulfill whatever strange, brilliant vision he's had for this thing. If it takes session players, so be it.
In their former incarnation, Guns N' Roses could've been the next Rolling Stones. Axl wanted to be the next Queen. It worked. Just release this damn thing soon.
Didn't Queen release Radio Ga Ga or whatever that shitty song was called? You're right - Axl turned them into Queen.
#6203 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:Okay firstly ignorant isn't a name. It is not a thing. It's an ADJECTIVE. I described you as ignorant. There's a difference.
Cmon Axl S, you know we don't treat fellow members like that here. He is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else here. You can make your point just as easily without throwing "adjectives" in to the mix.
Sorry James, I'll take fault there as that was a low blow on my part. Sorry buzz although I still don't understand the Bucket has no emotion comment.
Apology accepted - though I'd understand why you'd feel that way if I said what you think I said. I never said he has no emotion. I just don't think it's anywhere near the level that Slash plays with - and that isn't an insult because few play with that level of emotion.
#6204 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:I'm not here to rip BH - I think he's great at what he does, but he doesn't play with more soul or play solos and riffs that fit the songs better than Slash. Slash plays the Yesterdays solo in that song because if fits the song, not because it's the most difficult thing he could come up with.
I'm not articulate or well spoken enough to prove you completely wrong but by saying that you come across as one thing. Ignorant.
You can't prove me wrong, so you name call. Typical. Sorry to disappoint you, but my statement is 100% accurate.
#6205 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
CDs aren't the only avenue to get music...as you say, this isn't 1991. And I'm not referring to unlistenable in 2008, I'm talking about unlistenable after 1 listen, and if you're honest, My World is the only one.
I'm not here to rip BH - I think he's great at what he does, but he doesn't play with more soul or play solos and riffs that fit the songs better than Slash. Slash plays the Yesterdays solo in that song because if fits the song, not because it's the most difficult thing he could come up with. Their styles are so different that comparing them is very difficult, but it's fair to say that each is better at their strength than the other is.
#6206 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
James, I get what you're saying and I agree in general. The problem is that the songs that aren't for certain people aren't just not as good, they are awful. With UYI, people prefered certain songs, but other than My World, how many of those songs were unlistenable when the albums came out? Sure, I don't listen to all of them today, but I did when they came out.
The other thing that you say that is complete BS is that Slash would cower on these songs. I'm going to let you in on a not so little secret: the general public prefers Slash to BH. Not everybody thinks that BH adds to the songs. He hasn't risen to public fame as a result of his exposure in GnR. More people would prefer a "sloppy" Slash sound to these songs over the electronic, mechanical sound. More people are going to prefer BBF adding a more natural sound to the songs. Just because you and a select few other people are more outspoken about it doesn't make it so.
IF BH is so talented and everybody knows he's so much better than everybody else, why isn't he more popular? God knows he releases enough music and it's easy enough to get, so why isn't there a huge BH following in the mainstream? If ANYBODY outside of Axl should have boosted his popularity as a result of the leaks, wouldn't it be BH? So what happened? Certainly the whole world can't be missing out on his brilliance?
#6207 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
Well, tired and stoned is a bad combination. I've been accused of blindly loving everything Slash enough that I just assume that it's another one of those posts...
The reaction to the UYI albums was relatively universal. Sure, we liked some songs more than others, but other than My World, there was nothing that was unlistenable. That isn't the case with these leaks. One of the new songs was so bad that it didn't last 30 seconds - the other 2 I skipped through hoping to find a part I could get into. Even with the old leaks, there were parts of Better, TWAT, and The Blues that I could get into even if I didn't like the entire song. The 3 new songs take awful to a new level. No hooks, no feel, no continuity...nothing to make me want to ever listen to them again.
#6208 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:James Lofton wrote:I'm not denying that Slash or the old band wont be brought up, but I at least expect more from a review than "boo hoo, Slash isn't on it. These songs suck."
That's not at all what I said. However it is interesting that you make that comment while you're on record as saying that without BH these songs suck. Interesting double standard.
Its not a double standard. I have a guideline to work with, and can compare songs with and without him.
Slash isn't within a light year of any of these tracks.
It's completely a double standard. I didn't even mention Slash, yet you assume that's why I don't like it, yet no BH means the songs suck? That is the poster child for double standards. You have no more proof of that than what you falsely accuse me of believing.
#6209 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
well i think #2 & #3 suck
and its not because slash isnt there....its cuz the songs are shitty
Exactly.
James, go reread the threads. I'm not stating anything that others haven't, yet because you know I prefer Slash to BH, you're attacking me and not the message. Again, it isn't my message, it's the overall feelings of the posters at this site.
The simple question nobody has yet answered: If these songs are good, why can't people that have hung around for 10+ years agree on what songs are good and what songs aren't good? That tells the whole story right there...most people here want these songs to be good, yet can't agree on it...how do you think the rest of the world is going to accept them?
It's not going to happen without major stripping down of the songs and the record company knows it. If they release this crap, they will never recover the money they invested. Never. It will sell initially, then sales will drop once the "quality" of the album gets out there. People don't want this crap. A few of us want this crap - that's it.
#6210 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 934 weeks ago
I'm not denying that Slash or the old band wont be brought up, but I at least expect more from a review than "boo hoo, Slash isn't on it. These songs suck."
That's not at all what I said. However it is interesting that you make that comment while you're on record as saying that without BH these songs suck. Interesting double standard.
