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#621 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 303 weeks ago
I've hesitated to post this since there are a few not to be named douchebags that won't understand what I am saying; however for the greater good (and maybe so reasonable people will understand where I am (and have been)) coming from I will make the post.
On Wednesday, I got a call from a friend's wife that someone at her husband's work tested positive for Covid-19 (without any symptoms). Last Sunday I played golf with him and we shared a cart. He has been tested (and is isolating), and those results should come early this coming week. I'm not overly concerned. I saw him now 6 days ago...he feels fine, I feel fine. By the time he gets his results, it will have been 8 days or so, which is close to the end of the period of concern (unless they've moved the goalposts on that again).
I was out Wednesday when I got that call. I came straight home immediately and haven't left the house since then. As I said, I am not worried, but that doesn't mean I am going to be disrespectful towards others and possibly put them at risk regardless of how low that risk is. It isn't up to me to decide for them what level of risk they should tolerate. It is possible to feel the way I feel about the virus without being completely disrespectful to the people around you. Once all is clear, I plan to return to life as I have been living it.
I've never said the virus was a hoax. I've said we handled the response wrong. I still believe that. If I happen to get it and it kills me, I will STILL believe that (well, at least until I die). It's a risk management decision people should be allowed to make for themselves.
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#622 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:You were already trolling son, that's why you got reported in the first place. I'm only reporting the posts where you make no effort to even pretend to be on topic. Now if you resort to bullshit like this where you start hiding it in posts that have nothing to do with anything I said, THEN you'll be getting every post reported.
How this goes has always been up to you and not surprisingly you've always selected the low road.
Lol son....?
Report me bitch
As you wish son.
Uhmm, the "son" isnt vibin. Its kinda creepy, lame.
#623 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
Ohh yeah buzzsaw it's on now!! 
#624 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
150 pages in and Boltons books a trip. Finished the chapter on trump attending the NATO summit in 2018? While in discussions for the NK Kim Jung Un meeting, and he's leaving to meet Putin (I think when trump said 'I believe him' can't wait for Boltons opinion on that). Funny, there was a pact in NATO that each country would commit to 4% of GDP going to defense spending, but the countries have become lax in recent years, especially after th 2008 global recession. trump kept interchanging it from 4% of GDP to defense, to thinking each country pay 4% into some NATO fund. He kept getting corrected, and Bolton says he thinks it got across to trump after many explainations, but when trump was at the table he kept making a stink about it, and saying 'Maybe the US will start contributing less' whcih makes no sense. There is a small fund for NATO to pay in, but its nowhere near 4% of GDP. They actually used the Kavanaugh hearing as a reason not to pull out of NATO to him.
Overall Kelly, Mattis & Bolton all really seem sick of it and find it difficult (Bolton says at one point he wonders how he made it this far, and he's probably 6-9 months in). Pompeo kinda is what he is, sorta snide/cocky yes man to trump in public, but he jokes to the 4 of them on occasion about things being unbelievable, or that trumps really not grasping many concepts and he'll laugh about it with them, but seems once he's at the podium he can turn on the coverup mode. Kinda makes sense, I always wondered about him. Not much insight into either Pence or Melania yet, although once or twice Pence seemed to have been shut out of meetings and issues and such, although seemingly he'd be more capable than trump on issues.
With trump, there's no there there.
#625 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
High unemployment, numerous industries shutting down for a looong time, people spending money drastically different, no way a recession doesn't come.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a-do … 28980.html
It's the 70s all over again. Nixon gone, Carter inherits a bad economy at a bad time, just get us thru the next 4 years and we'll hit the reset button, both GOP & DNC. Personally I'd be ok if he chose Condi Rice and I think he should. Bring the country together & have someone experienced & competant in as VP.
#626 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
Dude, that's not the same thing to what's being claimed. People are suggesting that he'll use the military to install a dictatorship. He's fully in his rights to contest an election, but he needs proof. I was actually going to use Gore as an example, there's a legal remedy. Gore gave up because... Well, he's Gore. These are two VERY different things that are being suggested.
For Goddsakes, I even wanted Hilary to contest the election. That's not the same as not accepting the results and staying in office. That is impossible. We have Federal Marshals who have the responsibility of removing a former president from office if that happens.
Well, the fear is of the somewhere in between. None of us here believe trump will just choose to stay in office via dictatorship. However, if he loses Ohio, PA, CO, Mich by 2 million votes each or something, yet 'contests it', then thats a light way of doing the same thing. Ballparking 2 mil for context, but I think FL in 2000 was something like 35,000 votes or something, with many set aside for 'hanging chads'. If its THAT close thats one thing, but with this guy he'd do it for over a mil.
In hindsight Hillary should've contested the election. Problem would be it would show a link from the Obama WH to her campaign, by informing them that when the FBI/CIA was investigating Russia for the DNC hack, Kushner, Flynn & Stone et al popped up into their investigation.
#627 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
Ok, here it is, per newsweek. tl;dr: Trump challenges close states & it goes to court. Electoral College 'official vote' is December 14th. If the court case isn't settled by December 14 the EC votes anyway without said states. If neither candidate has 270 it goes to the House, but each state gets 1 vote from the house based on majority of votes. So, if 26 states have more R than D reps, they can win it. (R or D per state would be different from Dems holding the majority, if you get what I'm saying. For instance Cali might have 20 house rep seats, but counts as 1, but so would Montana, Wyoming, ND, SD etc)
Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
The investigation is intended to tick down the clock toward December 14, the deadline when each state's Electoral College electors must be appointed. This is the very issue that the Supreme Court harped on in Bush v. Gore in ruling that the election process had to be brought to a close, thus forbidding the further counting of Florida ballots.
All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until the "national security" investigation is complete.
The Democrats will have begun a legal action to certify the results in those four states, and the appointment of the Biden slate of electors, arguing that Trump has manufactured a national security emergency in order to create the ensuing chaos.
The issue goes up to the Supreme Court, which unlike the 2000 election does not decide the election in favor of the Republicans. However, it indicates again that the December 14 Electoral College deadline must be met; that the president's national security powers legally authorize him to investigate potential foreign country intrusion into the national election; and if no Electoral College slate can be certified by any state by December 14, the Electoral College must meet anyway and cast its votes.
The Electoral College meets, and without the electors from those four states being represented, neither Biden nor Trump has sufficient votes to get an Electoral College majority.
The election is thrown into the House of Representatives, pursuant to the Constitution. Under the relevant constitutional process, the vote in the House is by state delegation, where each delegation casts one vote, which is determined by the majority of the representatives in that state.
Currently, there are 26 states that have a majority Republican House delegation. 23 states have a majority Democratic delegation. There is one state, Pennsylvania, that has an evenly split delegation. Even if the Democrats were to pick up seats in Pennsylvania and hold all their 2018 House gains, the Republicans would have a 26 to 24 delegation majority.
This vote would enable Trump to retain the presidency.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-coul … on-1513975
and Al Gore conceded on Dec 13 due to the EC vote, even tho the counting was somewhat still to be ongoing. So some of it isn't entirely unprecedented.
#628 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:I don't think trump makes it to election day. Yesterday, was a MASSIVE pivot on cornavirus and masks. And this president NEVER pivots!
Someone got to him about how bad this winter may become, and that it really needs attention, direction, and something needs to be done. I bet he was predicting on restarting the riots to divert attention from covid, which is why he wanted to send in federal agents to multiple northern, urban cities, since covid is mostly down south. There haven't been protests in Philly in over a month. I don't think NYC has had them either for some time.
Someone talked him out of that. I think ppl were prepared to quit & out him over it.
I don't think he'll drop out. The executive office is his hedge against criminal charges in NY for starters. But ultimately it's his narcissism that will keep him from dropping out IMO. Of course one could argue that the narcissist's biggest fear is losing an election. But just like 2016, he's already prepping for that result with claims of "voter fraud" and is not sure if he'll accept the results if he loses.
It's very dangerous territory for our country to be in.
Agree on all 3 points.
His ego won't drop out.
His ego won't let him lose the election.
He 'might' contest the election. Which is scary. I've read about that scenario (something like a President can question results similar to 2000, so if its close in multiple states he could contest each states results, even tho he loses EC by 50+ or whatever. I forget where it goes after that, maybe the Senate & if GOP has 50+VP its 51 and they win). Totally would be scary, when reading it, I think its 'possible', but I think he'd need like all the swing states to be relatively close to attempt it. He couldn't lose a state by 8% and claim voter fraud.
I think Labor Day is a key date. Around Sept 15 if its even worse he drops out. If its as it is today or closer he stays in it, hoping the debates are favorable to him. By October 1 if he's still in it he stays in. The voter fraud challenge becomes a Plan B, but I think even Barr would have to say its a stretch if the election states aren't that close. There'd likely be alot of lawsuits from states too to fight off.
Lincoln Project is something else, seen them appear on Twitter & read an article about them but forget exactly who's behind it. (I'm sure mega donor/superpac types).
#629 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
I don't think trump makes it to election day. Yesterday, was a MASSIVE pivot on cornavirus and masks. And this president NEVER pivots!
Someone got to him about how bad this winter may become, and that it really needs attention, direction, and something needs to be done. I bet he was predicting on restarting the riots to divert attention from covid, which is why he wanted to send in federal agents to multiple northern, urban cities, since covid is mostly down south. There haven't been protests in Philly in over a month. I don't think NYC has had them either for some time.
Someone talked him out of that. I think ppl were prepared to quit & out him over it.
#630 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 303 weeks ago
Biden will be PINO. President in Name Only. He may make some big picture decisions, like healthcare, or sanctions & relations etc. sit in on briefings etc. But for the most part, he'll just be a thumbs up/thumbs down or yes/no guy.
Personally, I think he has early stages of dimentia/parkinsons. In 4 years he definitely won't be running for re-election.
