buzzsaw wrote:

PaSnow wrote:

What China problem?

They manufacture at what, $3-$5 bucks an hour, which allows us to buy $300 dollar TV's at Walmart on Black Friday and $800 mobile phones.  You wanna pay $2000 dollars so American employees maake $30/hour doing so, be my guest.

Do me a favor, buy a $2000 dolllar HDTV & post a receipt, I'll be impressed.

So you want to pay Americans higher wages including a $15 minimum wage, but you're not willing to pay more for stuff so companies can do that?  How does that work?

Easy...the same way that we cut taxes but continued to spend the same amount. The math was ok then, right?

buzzsaw wrote:

PaSnow wrote:

What China problem?

They manufacture at what, $3-$5 bucks an hour, which allows us to buy $300 dollar TV's at Walmart on Black Friday and $800 mobile phones.  You wanna pay $2000 dollars so American employees maake $30/hour doing so, be my guest.

Do me a favor, buy a $2000 dolllar HDTV & post a receipt, I'll be impressed.

So you want to pay Americans higher wages including a $15 minimum wage, but you're not willing to pay more for stuff so companies can do that?  How does that work?

I realize the industries & jobs that are gone, are gone. We're a service industry anymore. And manufacturing, like the coal industry, is gone.

BTW, did you see this one?  https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/un … al-trains/

Pretty cool that they're blocking the train from leaving (it filed bankruptcy & didn't pay the workers) but really it's known that's what coal mines do. They get mega tax breaks, dig the town up for coal for 3-5 years, then file bankruptcy. There's a documentary about it, and when I was in SLC visiting my brother 2 years ago an Uber driver told me essentially the same story (He moved from W VA to UT cause his Dad got a great job there. Then, couple years later his Dads unemployed)

Gee, if only we didn't see this coming all the time.

If you think TV's & IPhones will be built in the US because of Trumps tariffs, you've got much to learn.

The China problem needs to be addressed. I’m hoping Europe joins with the US on this. The continued theft of IP, the allegations of bugging commercial tech, and the authoritarian nature of Xi’a government, make them the biggest threat of the west in the 21st century.

Anyone else actually been to China?  Guangzhou monitors every email its people send. Counterfeit products are a national treasure.

I don’t think it’s improper to consider manufacturing US products in the US, especially as automation approaches. I’d rather companies use the 75k they pay for H1B visas to train Americans, than import foreign labor at the detriment of our citizens.

Axl S wrote:

I see there's still transphobia in this thread. Neat. /s

I know right? Totally ignored.

Same dude was calling for another to be banned and then writes that shit. Hypocrisy right there.
Like I said earlier, the ones bickering are all equally a sandwich short of a picnic.