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#6551 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 920 weeks ago
For everything that says he followed trends...
The leaked tracks... what current trend is being followed there...?
The leaked tracks were written years ago. They were playing catch up on the trends that were already becoming dated at that time.
#6552 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash's Version Of The Bands Break-Up » 920 weeks ago
I will when I get there. I'm at the point where Matt just joined the band, so about 2/3 of the book was about his childhood and the AFD years. Most of it focused on his drug usage.
#6553 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 921 weeks ago
the problems that they had with the material were the really long epic tunes, they wanted to make 4-5 miute tracks and axl wanted 7-12 minute songs...that fact is well documented..so in a way that Axl quote is correct but a bit squewed at the same time..and when things started going poppy, then again slash had problems with it....aka the synth in PC and the SCOM riff etc etc
This is why they needed each other. (generalizing big time here) Guns was big because the guys loved the heavy sound and bad ass lyrics and women loved the poppy songs and SCOM type lyrics and melodies. They had to coexist to reach the level they did. Axl's version would have been more mainstream and that would have never reached the levels they did. Slash's version would have been an Aerosmith knockoff and that wouldn't have made it big either. What it really comes down to is the same thing that made them great tore them apart. It was inevitable regardless of who was more responsible for it.
#6554 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 921 weeks ago
I think we're starting to get into technicalities now. Let me take it to the extreme:
A guy is kicking the shit out of his wife daily. After a few years of this, she finally decides to leave him. Are you going to say the wife is responsible for changing her way of thinking?
Obviously this is an exaggeration, but the point is valid. If you're treated in a way you don't appreciate and finally decide you aren't going to take it anymore, then you made the decision to leave, but the way you were treated was the cause.
#6555 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 921 weeks ago
A Private Eye wrote:DoubleTalkingJive wrote:You also can't say they didn't know who Axl was going into this with them. He had many temper tantrums during AFD, example throwing the microphone at the tech guys if the sound wasn't right. They knew he was a loose cannon so you can't be surprised at some of the antics that happened along the way.
Like Slash says in BTM, anything you've heard about Axl or whatever you think of him based on his behavior and actions is also the source of what drives him and the reason he's such a great frontman and songwriter. To be without the mood swings and tempers would be to be without the mesmerising performances and songs.
Ultimately this is what they are saying led to the demize of the band and how it's all Axl's fault. That's my point, so if Slash admits this is what made Axl great then really how can he be at fault for the band's breakup. Axl was being Axl and the Axl he's always been.
That doesn't mean it wasn't his fault. It can be someone's fault for being themself. Sometimes in life you decide to stick with someone or a relationship that you know isn't good for you because you don't know what else to do. Eventually you figure out how bad it really is and you move on. Nothing changed other than one person realized that whatever good came wasn't worth the bad that came with it.
Fault is really the wrong word - I think Axl is most responsible for it, but it isn't necessarily his fault. Slash knew that if the band was going to be huge, they needed Axl, so they put up with a lot of shit that they didn't necessarily want to because they felt they had to including signing over the rights to the name. Eventually they decided putting up with Axl wasn't worth it. Axl didn't change, but it was his actions/decisions that are mainly responsible for what happened.
#6556 Re: Guns N' Roses » If there is a reunion, where do people stand? » 921 weeks ago
If there is a reunion I stand front row.
You're going to have to fight off a lot of people. If there was a reunion, it would likely be the biggest tour ever. The potential earnings have grown over the years too, but at some point (and likely soon) it's going to reach it's peak in terms of potential.
I don't see a reunion happening anytime soon. Even if Slash's book is intended to be somewhat nice to Axl, those around him will use it as a rallying cry for more anti-Slash sentiment.
#6557 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 921 weeks ago
I'm not a Sammy Hagar fan at all, but he said something back in like 02 or 03 that I always think of when things like this come up. He was talking about what a general asshole Ed Van Halen is work with and for. He commented on how he and DLR had never met before but their stories matched as far as working with Ed and Alex goes.
I don't think there's much question that Axl can be an asshole and he's difficult to work with. From what I've read so far in Slash's book, he can be an asshole and difficult to work with as well. I think most really talented people are assholes and a lot of that comes from expecting others to be at the same level that they are at. This is why in sports, most great players don't make good coaches. They expect more from guys than they are capable of doing.
Going with this line of thinking, it's certainly possible that Axl had high expectations regarding his vision of what the band should be and Slash had high expectations of his ideas of what they should be. They co-existed because AFD is much closer to Slash's vision than it is to Axl's and Slash gave in somewhat with UYI, but after that neither side would give at all.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but after typing this out, Slash comes off as being a spoiled brat. Thinking back to the book, there are multiple examples of him just turning to drugs when he didn't get his way. I still think he's great, but he's not as different from Axl as I think he'd like to believe.
#6558 Re: Guns N' Roses » If there is a reunion, where do people stand? » 921 weeks ago
I never understood how gnr fans couldnt like snakepit
the only thing i can think of is that its cuz Axl doesnt sing on it....seriously i love that album, i listen to it regularily
It took me a long time to enjoy those albums for that very reason. I know I come across as being pro Slash and anti Axl, but when it comes to them making music, I want to hear them together. They complimented each other better than I would have thought possible given their different musical tastes. Neither has done as well without the other in my opinion and I don't see that changing no matter how many VR albums we get or how many albums Baz claims Axl has finished.
One a complete side note, I am really starting to dig TWAT after I listened to it over the weekend for the first time in a long time. That is a great song, but unfortunately I listen to it thinking what Slash could have done with it (not to minimize the great work BH did on it).
#6559 Re: Guns N' Roses » If there is a reunion, where do people stand? » 921 weeks ago
Axl wrote some of the most troubling lyrics ever (in mainstream at least). I hardly think he can judge someone else as not writing happy songs.
Slash wrote what he felt. I don't imagine he was very happy at the time. He was part of this great band that was falling apart and he wasn't strong enough to do what it took to hold it together. I wouldn't be writing "Shiney, Happy People" at that point either.
#6560 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Did You Guys Think Of This Rant...? » 921 weeks ago
Well, when 4 people are in general pointing the finger at one person and the one person isn't saying anything, the general perception is going to be that the 4 people are correct. Of course it isn't 100% Axl's fault, but in the end, he was the one calling the shots and he has to accept responsibility.
I don't see how anybody could say that Axl isn't more responsible for the breakup of the band than anybody else. It was his band when they broke up. Guys were forced to decide if they wanted to work under those conditions and decided they didn't. That doesn't necessarily make Axl the bad guy. Maybe his conditions were quite fair and the other guys were unreasonable about it. I honestly believe Axl always did what he thought was best for Guns N' Roses regardless of what anybody else thought, I just think he made some bad decisions along the way. Hindsight is 20/20.