Posts by Stepvhen

Stepvhen · The Garden

Fair enough I'd agree with that.

He handed himself over for the alleged rape of 2 women because he is supposedly innocent. I'm not going to take a side in this because I don't know what's actually true.

From what I've read in the papers the had unprotected sex with 2 separate women. They demanded of their local police that he be forced to take an STD test.

The rape charge has been said to be bogus, but really who's to tell.

After one of those women slept with him she boasted about it on twitter.

The other denied she was raped when interviewed saying she just wanted him to be tested for STDs.

Stepvhen · The Garden

Neemo wrote:

apparently the wiki leaks creep has been arrested in London for sex crimes in Sweden

Creep?

How can you call him a creep? He's doing his best to tell the public the truth

Stepvhen · The Garden

Yes cult phenomena. Neo-Nazi's take Christian scripture to the extreme. They are considered a cult.

This isn't about religion quite the opposite

Didn't some guy use religion to try and make thousands of people kill themselves by drinking kool aid? That's a cult.

Yeah Jim Jones that was a cult, I think it was a christian thing

There's religion, and then there's radical religion. It happens with EVERY religion.

And wow, over 70 people believe in your 'ideas?' More people have believed in the Sham Wow! and they don't work nearly as good as the tv says.

No saikin none of those 70 believe in our ideas. It's not aout belief, it's about inquiry and figuring out if this mthod of pattern recognition is in fact true. Thats just basic we do not support any belief.

Believing always means that there is an uncertainty. This is about dropping beliefs, such as the belief that the self controls the mind and body, and looking at the actual evidence to work out what is really going on.

Beliefs are for people who live in fear and want to cling to an ideal to make their version of reality more stable.

Were about facts. This isn't a belief system its a psychological method.

I'm sorry, but claiming something is valid because "over 70 people" believe in it is a fucking joke. Statistically that's not even a drop in the ocean.

Read above. It's not about seeing but about working it out like an equation beyond reasonable doubt.
On top of that, no one has ever managed to psychologically liberate that many people in such a short time. The closest is J McKenna with 12 people...... in 26 years. That is his life's work. I've done 6 in 4 months. In 8 months I'll have topped him. My friend has done 37 in 5 months. All of us together over 70 in 5 months.
Statistically speaking it is important.

You're mixing numerical weight up with statistical importance

That would be like me taking a cup, filling it with water from the ocean, and claiming there are no fish because there's none in my cup.

No. It's more like you creating 70 brand new fish from scratch in a few short months, where every other fish in the sea took millions of years to evolve into what they are today

You my friend need a bigger cup. Reading more philosophy will act as your bigger cup. I thought this stuff was cool once upon a time too, then I started to learn more and realized I really don't know anything.

Yeah why wouldn't I read more. I'll also act on it. I will test everything I read to see what is bullshit and what is true.

If you don't know anything, you need to sit down and ask yourself what you do know for sure. What is true. Work it out honestly.

There is no you. Is that true?

You see in working that out, you focus for the first time on the nature of "self" and thought and you begin for the first time to see the relationship. The assumption that there was in fact a self is proved wrong and instead a deep pattern recognition takes place in your sub-conscious.
You see that there is a pattern in reality.
A pattern of no-you, where self does not exist and is not needed
And the thing about pattern recognition is that once you recognise a pattern, you cannot un-recognise it.
It's in there for life.

This is about having a passion for the truth of reality. Letting go of "self", watching it die is not easy it is painful. The base psychological fear that drives us all is the fear that we do not exist. The main psychological drive is always to create and maintain identity.
Not when you are liberated. The base psychological drive becomes the experience of reality. The destructive emotional feedback loop is broken

Suddenly you're free to do as you like without a need to boost any ego. You can have all the ego you want and not be trapped in it. You can also be egoless and just be.

But as I said it comes at a price. The death of everything you believed, everything you thought you knew for sure.

When I took my first steps into this it was only because I had to. This is not something you do for fun. It is the roughest 10 minutes of your life.
Yes it's only 10 minutes, but I never felt that much fear before.
I was a quivering mess almost crying on the floor in horror at what I was doing to "myself".

The only reason I did it was because I understood logically that the self was just an illusion of thought. That was explained to me proven to be credible to me in theory.

If I did not test it out for myself to find the truth, to find whether it was true or not, I could not call myself an honest man ever again. I would have been living a lie for the rest of my life. Now I don't know about you, but where I come from, living as a dishonest man is worse than death. So I choose death, and examined what caused the self.

It requires a full submission to truth. You need to surrender to reality. Because who is surrendering to reality? The "self". And self does not exist you just think it does. In fact you are always surrendered to reality, you just think you are not, you think there is a self and it is in control and it can stand apart from reality and impose it's will. Yu are always in a state of surrender to the truth, the mind just thinks that there is a "self" that is not surrendered, not a part of reality and so must fight reality

But we have all seen what happens when people believe bullshit stories like that. Endless suffering, ego mania, depression. You have too look for yourself and see for your self, that there is no self.

Scary. Yes
Crucial if you are ever to be free of your own bullshit. Yes
http://burningtruedotcom.blogspot.com/2 … -true.html

Stepvhen · The Garden

No nothing new agreed.
That master slave article is an analogy for ego not society. And yes I agree the reaction to this has been weak world wide.
In fact the strongest move in this whole thing has come from the Anonymous.

The important thing in this really is how Julian is being treated by the likes of Paypal Amazon and those calling for his assassination

Stepvhen · The Garden

Rex wrote:

You're nothing special my friend. Like I said, just a parrot. Name call all you want, I know the internet might be serious business for you.

He says^^ while slyly throwing in a backhanded insult, in an attempt to win his internet battle and protect his weakness.

You going to prove this wrong?

There is no you.

Prove that wrong and you have won your little internet battle

Stepvhen · The Garden

Saikin wrote:

Your little 'site' is nothing but rehashing cult phenomena and throwing in insults and expletives. There is nothing special. There is nothing radical. There is no liberation.

And you know this how? Have you truthfully tried this out for yourself. There is no other way of knowing. Why would it be special? And yes there is liberation from the sense of self. Some of the biggest names n the game have verified as much. do some research, so as to form an educated opinion on a subject

Cult phenomenon? Really ? Are you telling me that this manifesto, the same one that lies at the Heart of Hinduism and Buddhism is cult phenomenon?

The same stuff Albert Einstein advocated so that we could move the reams of research past personal interest.

The same thing Walt Whitman spent his life's spreading ?

The same thing Henry David Thoreau communicates as putting an end to the core of all psychological malfunction?

You are aware what this is right? It is the correction of human pattern recognition that allows the mind freedom from negative emotional feedback cycles (depression etc.)

How is that in any way cultish? If anything it's a psychological method.

There is no liberation.

There are over 70 men and women from all walks of life, even psychologists, who would differ on that statement.

Saikin wrote:

There are no messiahs changing people's lives and 'liberating' them. It's just a bunch of 30 year old toddlers taking the internet and the gullibility of people on the internet WAY too seriously.

Messiah? This isn't about religion. This isn't spirituality. Those things are fairytales. This is about psychological cognition. Correcting the core defect in human psychological cognition

Saikin wrote:

I'm sorry, but it is you who sounds like a snarky little self-righteous bitch with a complex.

It doesn't matter one bit what you think I sound like. It doesn't matter what I think

If you do not feel the moral obligation to explore a concept of such magnitude thoroughly so as to decide whether it is true or not you are a moral coward.
What is the truth of what I say beyond your opinions and mine? Can you even allow yourself to consider the possibility that this is true?

Yeah it's a big claim. But it is a big claim to ignore. To simply turn your face away without checking this out honestly to see if it is true is dishonest. You can not say this is untrue until you prove it is untrue. And guess what. for thousands and thousands of years of human development. No one has proved this untrue.
Quite the opposite.

This is a powerful psychological recognition. Again if you want to continue this, sign up.

Oh, by the way, America has been doing that the right way since before you were born. You're welcome.

Doing what? I don't follow.

Stepvhen · The Garden

Rex wrote:

Lol you claim to be some enlightened person, but you are just repeating what the majority of people are already saying...form your own opinion. Don't be a parrot.

What is with this Enlightenment talk?

This is Liberation Rex.

We have nothing new to say, but a method to liberate that is successful. No one does. This isn't about opinion Rex its about the truth. And the majority of people are NOT saying this. If they were there would be no need for me.

Fell free to join up and share your thoughts

You sound like a narky little bitch jump ina and have a look around if you care. You might do some good, ya even you. Who knows

Stepvhen · The Garden

bump

In order to Get this thread back on track I'm going to leave this link for Comunist China to continue his rant on a board actually related to what he is saying

Never one to shy away from a fight, I've opened a dueling thread especially for you and me.

http://www.ruthlesstruth.com/arena/view … &t=767

I look forward to your arrival

Stepvhen · The Garden

So yeah your taking the first ever info war and using it to justify a defensive position for whatever you got going on.

The worlds first info war.

discuss..

Stepvhen · The Garden

Bono wrote:

Ummm.... no offence dude but this:
stepvhen wrote:
Right okay. My philosophical method which has Liberated 6 peole in 4 months is childsplay... Right That's whats going on here. You are the glorius bringer of excellence, and the lives I have transformed mean nothing....
Really comes off as self righteous, self glorifying, self absorbed and to be honest seems to have a huge Messiah complex attatched to it. I honestly felt like stopping righ there.
This is interesting stuff for sure, though I'm not getting into your guys "respectful" debate but if you want people to take YOU seriously, not so much the issues you're talking about but YOU(because nobody is listening to anything if they don't take you serioulsy) then you might wanna tone it down a bit. Just saying.

I honestly don't know how to relate anymore. I probably come across like a psycho. I'm drifting further and further away everyday and when I try to return to my personality I don't know how to use it like I used to. I probably come across like a army general or something. Even now. I' got zero intolerance for manipulation and what I'd call cowardice too, when real people are really dying. Doesn't help I guess.

The implication with regards to the democracy concept in my first post was simply that punishing spying is not anti-democracy. Indeed, democracy and freedom are different, and at best you could call Assange's actions a liberation of information (not knowledge), so prosecuting him under any US laws he's broken certainly wouldn't infringe on the concept of democracy if he would get him extradited here. Most people in the country probably want him dead, you'd have an easier time making an argument that killing him would enforce democracy.

Well no. Most people in America don't want him dead, quite the opposite. He's the fore runner for times man of the year, light years ahead of the likes of Glenn Beck.

Prosecuting him over a rape the victim says he did not commit would be a gross denial of Democracy. Don't just assume the article deals with American law.

Please, tell me what's incorrect about what I'm saying. I'm 'taking huge risks hoping you won't notice flaws in logic'? Again you assume my intent, much like your assumption of our leaders' intent, is to distort and pervert, leaving no possibility in your mind of it being an honest mistake. Why is the alleged enlightened so withholding of his wisdom? Go ahead, I insist. Correct me.

You have distorted and perverted regardless of your intent. You've somehow managed to make this about my job rather than about wikileaks.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm looking at the facts. Yes many your Govt has fucked up as the info demonstrates

As for the flaws in your logic see the above section

And why dear god are going on about my personal life here??

I have offered you a chance to come talk to me in my capacity as a teacher seeing as you are so very obsessed with your own opinion on the subject.

You have ignored the invitation and instead you're just firing useless insults around like the mean something to either of us.

As for your Liberating 6 minds in 4 months - beyond applauding your 19th century style use of capitalization for Important Concepts, I really have nothing to say. I don't have a definition for mental liberation so I can't assess what you're saying, and indeed it has no relevance on the wikileaks manner. Again you're pulling us away from wikileaks and into your ego and dislike for me

Yes I'm puling you away? Really? Eve thought in this one post you have mentioned my job/personal life a multitude of times.

I offered you your chance to come talk. You're pussying out and beating your drum to try and prove some point.

Right your still going on about it great. Why so obsessed? I'll have to deal with this.

(I'll post your rebuttal here to save you time: 'You're projecting - you're pulling us into your ego and your dislike of me, not the other way around. I recognize that there is no self, am Enlightened, and therefore have no ego.')

Wrong. everyone has an ego. A Liberated person just isn't trapped in it. They can pick it up and use it as they see fit use a different one if they like and so don't get negative emotional feedback loops. The word enlightenment and all that other stuff is just something the new age people throw at this simple cognitive work. It's not one bit spiritual.

But as I said if your not willing to appologise and not man enough to come face me in the forum dedicated to discussing this were done. Are you being sly and manipulative for the sake of some personal victory? Or are you interested in this wiki leaks story at all? Nope. Interested in taking up my invitation? Nope.

You have really proven your intelligence and bravery by throwing insults and then declining a Duel with me on the topic, in the Duelling are of the forum dedicated to this, so as not to be wasting time here.

The release of hundreds of thousands of classified foreign policy cables and you come up with exactly ONE crime perpetrated by the US, with full consent of the other country it involves. Big deal.

You want more ? It's all documented in the article you said you read. How can we debate something you know nothing about?

Are you here to debate this at all?

torture at guantanemo
Us complicity in Sri Lankan War Crimes
War Crimes in Iraq
War Crimes in Afghanistahn

Some quotes for you.

"One of the documents suggests that the American forces had decapitated an Iraqi last year on the order of their higher-up, who bore personal grievance against the victim."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/149640.html

"The documents cover much of what the public already knows about the troubled nine-year conflict: U.S. special operations forces have targeted militants without trial, Afghans have been killed by accident, and U.S. officials have been infuriated by alleged Pakistani intelligence cooperation with the very insurgent groups bent on killing Americans. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/ … ?tag=stack

more

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/ … ontentBody

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/ … 2420.shtml

CC, You're a weak weak man. To afraid to face me honestly and not intelligent enough to wriggle out of your own cowardice.