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#691 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The words racist and racism have no meaning anymore. People literally have no idea what they actually mean it's been so diluted.

3 of them were born in the US. I don't even know if AOC's parents were born in Puerto Rico, they very well may be from NYC as well. Heck, Trumps parents I believe were born in another country. Did Hillary yell "If you don't like it go back to where you came from!" in 2016 when he said the US was a mess?

And 1989 Axl Rose said 'Go back to your country' however 2018 Axl didn't even release that song on his $500 box set.

It doesn't matter...none of that makes it racist. It isn't an anything -ist (maybe USist, but that's what he's always claimed to be anyway), so your side has lumped everything as racist to make sound bad, but now that word has no meaning. If you don't like it here, GTFO is a perfectly acceptable response.  So is change the laws you don't like.  There are a lot of acceptable responses; accusing someone of racism because you think it makes them sound bad isn't one of them.  It just waters down the actual racism...

Not wanting illegal immigrants in the country is NOT racist.  Not wanting antisemitic people in the country is NOT racist.  Not wanting terrorists in the country is NOT racist.  Erring on the side of caution in all of these cases is NOT racist.  It's protecting the country, which contrary to popular belief these days is one of the top responsibilities of the President.  Should he say the things he says?  No, but much better that it's out in the open than behind closed doors like Pelosi. 

If this country was even 1/10 as racist as the dems have been trying to make it sound like it is...there's no good way to put it, but a lot of really bad shit would be happening.  We've come a long way.  We still have work to do (on all sides).  Accusing everything of being racist is taking us back in time far more than anything Trump has said though.

#692 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

The words racist and racism have no meaning anymore. People literally have no idea what they actually mean it's been so diluted.

#693 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Do you understand the way the House and Senate are set up?  If you do, you're asking a stupid question. If you don't, you should never open this thread again. 

It's set up the way it is to protect exactly what you want to happen from happening.

Of course i understand the difference....the house of all branches should reflect the will of the people.

Right now it’s the most worthless branch of government.

And fuck you for thinking so little of me that i wouldn’t understand that.

You still haven’t answered my question...why should i bother voting? The decisions have already been made and my vote counts 50 percent of what some others.


And your team is in charge of the most worthless branch.  Interesting.

Mitch, no need for you vote if you don't want to. What I think of you is a reflection of how you're behaving yourself in this thread. Either you're stupid or you're acting stupid. That's on you bro.

#694 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

Do you understand the way the House and Senate are set up?  If you do, you're asking a stupid question. If you don't, you should never open this thread again. 

It's set up the way it is to protect exactly what you want to happen from happening.

#695 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

Do you understand the Electoral College at all?  Do you know why it exists?  Do you know why it will likely never go away (hint: it has nothing to do with what the majority want)?

Did you complain when the Supreme Court ruled the ACA was a tax? Roe v Wade? Or do you only complain when the voting doesn't go your way? Have you ever glanced through the constitution? I haven't, it's a long and boring read (I imagine), but I understand the basics of the cliff notes version. I understand there are laws that you don't like. There are laws I don't like too. Some of them (amazingly enough) might be the same laws. The Constitution outlines a way to change laws. Instead of just ignoring the laws you feel should be laws, you should ask your politicians to change the law in the manner outlined in the Constitution. Most laws that aren't changing the fundamentals of the country are (somewhat) majority rules. Now eliminating the Electoral College will force individual states to basically vote to give up their power...I don't think that's likely to happen in enough numbers to allow for that change. You see, for all the hating you love to do on rednecks, they have the right to be represented just as much as you do. This is a union of states. The states have a lot of power and they would have to decide in massive numbers to give up that power if that were to ever change. What do you think are the odds of that ever happening?

#696 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

The left's version of gerrymandering is in the process of crossing the border in hoards. If you're going to post about the game, you should understand the game first.

I've sown my ID ever since I started voting again.  I'm as pasty white as they come.  But you keep believing whatever you want to believe because there's no changing your mind until you learn to open it.

#697 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I saw it said Mike Pence lasted only 90 seconds in a detention center?  It seemed the second one he visited, I'm not sure if the press questioned that the first one looked too staged or what, but not sure why he visited & why they hadn't cleaned it up & emptied it out.  Mostly, it seemed that it was caused by the detainees saying they hadn't showered in 10-20 days. Just a putrid smell in there, and he couldn't tolerate it. Had to be rank.

Leads into the theory that myb Pence won't be on the ticket in 2020, wonder if Trump is eyeing someone up. Previously ppl said Haley but I'd think she's hoping for a chance at 2024.

Making a bunch of assumptions based off of what may or may not have happened is reckless.

#698 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Are there any worse groups of voters in this country than the Evangelicals? Does it get any more self-righteous? Does it get any more hypocritical? Does anyone other group of voters set aside all the rules in order to win? The are so easily wrangled because they are so willing to let someone else tell them how to think and who they should vote for. While they continue to fall as a group in gross numbers over the decades, they maximize their efficiency by reaching the highest levels of turnout.

Due to the fact that the popular vote doesn't matter in this country, I figure the Evangelical strategy is to see just how much they can exploit that. They are already overly represented, but it will never be enough for them. No matter how small they become in numbers, I think their strategy for the next decade is to figure out how to draw voting districts to massively over represent themselves on a local, state and federal level.

Yes, because they are the only people taking advantage of the political system.  /sarcasm

Mitch, you've got half of the game figured out, but for whatever reason you believe that when the people you support do the exact things you bitch about all the time that it's justified.  Frankly anyone that supports either party is a hypocrite, but admitting that would require people like you to admit that about yourself. You're so self-righteous about so many things, so the hypocritical part of you proclaiming another group to be hypocritical is both hilarious and disturbing at the same time. The whole liberal approach of guilting/shaming people into doing stupid things is nothing but self-righteous bullshit. The whole immigration shitshow is the shining example of liberal hypocrisy. Months ago there was no crisis. Now there's a huge crisis. What's changed? Nothing really...both sides are using the situation for political gain with no regard for the people involved, but people like you will swear up and down that the dems REALLY care about these people. If they did, they wouldn't be using them as political pawns. Both sides think their solution is the only right one when both sides' solutions aren't realistic options. The truth is we can't afford either option, but the truth isn't as much fun as shaming people, right mitch?

#699 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 357 weeks ago

If history has taught us nothing else, we should know by now that if you have wealth - not money, but wealth - you can get away with just about anything until it's so obvious there's something there that it can't be ignored any more.  Even if you just have money, you can kill your wife and her waiter and get away with it.  It's never been a level playing field and it never will be a level playing field.

There's real wealth behind politicians at the national level.  Both parties are corrupt.  This is why all these politicians say stuff but do very little, even to Trump.  If someone starts actually digging into it, they all go down with the ship.  It's all superficial fluff to give the appearance of effort and results.  Meanwhile crazy people on the extremes of both parties (and I mean actual people mostly, not politicians) buy into the fluff hook, line, and sinker to push the divide further and cement the two-party system as the only way to protect their interests.

I'm generally not a conspiracy theory person, but I believe this one. It's plausible because even though it involves a lot of people, the true power is limited to so few and the politicians just do what their party tells them to do.  It's why the Republicans were/are scared of Trump and the Pelosi's of the world are worried about AOC types.  It's not because they are brilliant; it's because they are dumb enough to accidentally expose what really happens in Washington.  Neither party wants that happening.

#700 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 357 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Kinda wonder if theres like a secret society out there. Maybe the government doesnt take them down because they control the wealth in the world

I haven't been following this story, but this is closer to the truth than anyone would be with it if they knew.

From the little bit I've seen on this story, the dudes in bed mostly with the left. The people bashing trump for this seem to forget which side he was on until recently. But this isn't a left only issue...he's just the one that got caught this time.

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