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#711 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 108 weeks ago
I'm amazed that some people don't believe these songs are actually out there.
On the other hand...a bit understandable I suppose since this stuff has been rarely talked about in the reunion era...also the fact the majority of these hoarders finally stepped away from the forums.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Otto has a pretty good summary above.
Now there's a blast from the past!
While I didn't post there much, I miss those days....
HTGTH
mygnr
ROV/Evo
CD.com
newgnr
newguns
GNR Strip
GNR Source
GNR2kMore that I'm not remembering off the top of my head.
There were so many GNR fans online back then that all those forums were really active....until they weren't.
It still blows me away that out of all those forums back in the day, only 3 still exist.
I probably lurked at all those , Lourenco's site GNRsucks as well, there were loads back then.
I think some people feel there isn't stuff out there simply because they feel it would have leaked by now. But things can always be discovered, like those DAT tape's some guy had in his garage with Machine Gun and Toothpuller on. I think there's probably more in the hands of a few than people reallize.
#712 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 108 weeks ago
I don’t think AI will diminish the value of real leaks any more than fan remixes or recreations of songs (like “The General”) have done so.
But further contraction of the economy might make some people willing to share what they have for money.
It would have to be done without the nonsense that investors experienced in 2019 when trying to buy the storage locker songs. As the saying goes, “No Chicanery!”
But if we got some real evidence of what is “out there” — at minimum a few clips, the CD2 cover art and booklet — I am sure some level-headed investors could pool their resources and make it worth someone’s while.
Looking across this thread and the lack of enthusiasm across other sites/Reddit, someone could emerge as a real hero right now!
AI isn't there yet but it will be at some point, fan remixes take a lot more time without AI than I think they will with it. You only need to ask Evader how many hours he plunged into his version on The general. If AI speeds it up there will be more and the fanbase will be flooded.
Very good point about the economy though
#713 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 108 weeks ago
Just hoping something comes to fruition. It sounds like people know people who have tracks, or know people that know people. As someone else pointed out, those who have the tracks probably couldn’t give two shits about them. I’m sure with a concerted push in the right direction some music could be forthcoming
Thing is for anyone who has that stuff they probably feel it's value is about to crash through the floor.
I don't think anyone saw this speed or improvement in AI coming. It's like a sharp cliff edge the music industry is getting closer to and now it feels like we are running to it.
Sucks to speak in mercenary terms, but if someone has for example CD2 or The General it's pretty safe to say they won't trade it for other songs. Because what else is out there of equal value? Nothing (& i don't mean the song)
That instead limits them to the financial route and due to AI it will be far easier very soon for people to fake unreleased material.
More importantly it will be far harder for someone who actually has something to prove that what they have is actually real. I mean how do they prove it? send more clips in a trade? That would simply increase the likelyhood of leaks.
Again it sucks to think of these things in mercenary terms but I would imagine someone in that position would feel time was running out, and I think they would be right to think that.
Places like Leaked.CX that are about genre's that have even more of a culture of trading are all about to change. This shit is uncharted territory.
#714 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 108 weeks ago
Aside from an mp3 of Better Gone I believe the only songs on there were written titles. Though I'm sure he wanted people to believe otherwise I don't believe he had actual songs like Tonto ect from that USB stick.
If people have CD2 then it is probably people above him.
Unless it is stuffed into a carebear somewhere.
#715 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 109 weeks ago
Slightly off topic but I hope they reuse the verses of "Eye on You" as well.
I know people make fun of the "mac daddy" part but the melody of the other lyrics aside from that part is awesome.
I also agree that TIL dance remix version has 2009-2010 style vocals - the timbre of the screams and the way he adds "yeaaaahhh" into the end of them was a thing he was doing live in that era. Then again I guess they are not wildly dissimilar from the twat/irs screams recorded years earlier either so maybe there's just dozens of versions of TIL somewhere from earlier.
Songs like State of Grace and Eye on You give me hope though as they seem a different style than a lot of the other tracks and sort of appeared out of nowhere. I kinda hope there's other songs like that.
I wonder if the Mac Daddy line was just a placeholder, lol I hope so, as an all round song though I like it.
If you listen to the isolated vocals of that remix it really screams 2010 era voice. Certainly way different to locker leak era vocals.
#716 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 109 weeks ago
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That being said there are no vocals for Oklahoma in the locker leaks. Very possible he added them later considering what you mention, but why wasn't it already finished? The song dated back years and judging by how good the instrumental is you would think it would be a priority to include on your comeback album..
I gotta sleep lol so i'll just stick to this bit for now..
But as to why wasn't it finished? Probably the same reason YCBM or Dont Cry wasn't on AFD, it wasn't ready. I'm not just saying it's an Axl time thing although I'm glad he didn't rush the two examples i just mentioned and let them be untill he felt they were ready.
Thing is if you look at pretty much everything they have released there are always songs held back for future releases. Its not a modern thing, like you say TIL came out in 2008 but was around in 1991. On UYI YCBM Dont Cry November Rain Back Off bitch were all around years before but held back as they were not "ready"
Hell even AFD had songs on it that had been around for years. People draw a clear deliniation between era's but some patterns are consistent, and the pattern of keeping songs on the back burner has been a constant throughout there entire history.
I remember Sorum saying the last song he worked on was I Ain't Goin Down in an interview a few years back, which obviously implies they went back to it again post UYI.
Oklaholma is so old that it was said to be the first song they walked in the studio with according to https://warmaudio.com/artist-david-dominguez/ They came in with it in January 1998. In 25 years I can believe they did it, but held it back for CD2 I just hope I hear it without Hardskool/Absurd production
#717 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 109 weeks ago
Merck talked about Axl's "muse" back in 2006 and said it wasn't up to Axl if that muse was present or not. Suggesting he wanted to record but lacked inspiration to create anything good. Unfortunately that situation might be more relevant for the big gun instrumentals, like Oklahoma, because with those the pressure was all the greater for Axl to add vocals that could live up to the epicness of the song.
Better, Sorry vocals were added after the locker leaks sessions, and there was also reportedly some work done by Axl in 06/07, but apart from that I think he has felt no need to go into a studio. Creatively he's done for and he knows it.
Could be true however Merk was very experienced even at that stage. By which I mean saying "it isn't up to Axl if that muse is present or not" is a quite slick way to acknowlegde that things may not be where they want them to be and yet also deftly deflects the blame from Axl, even painting him in a way to make people feel sorry for the guy.
I mean merck managed Morrissey that guy knew how to deal with difficult people, at least all the way up until he didn't.
TIL remix vocals sound possibly 2010'ish to me but who knows
Soul monster is only an instrumental in the sense that's how we have heard it from the locker leaks and probably how we think of it due to that.
In reality Axl said himself in the forum chats that it has vocals, that he recorded them around christmas and that there either "dark" or "heavy" (i forget the wording)
Oklahoma was on a setlist at some point in the early 2000's and I doubt it would be without vocals. Also in soundchecks last year they were running through a song that sounded quite like it, I can believe that it has vocals and that it may even be one of the songs Slash and Duff have recorded on.
#718 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 109 weeks ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:Lurked here for years on and off, seems like an interesting time to take the plunge and signup
I recognize your name from somewhere...I assume one of the handful of times I've checked mygnr or HTGTH the past few years.
Unless you're from the good old days.
Either way.... welcome to our insane asylum.
Not nearly as active as it was back in the day but the only one worth being on at this point IMO. Too much shit posting on the few remaining GNR forums for my tastes.
Edit
Not trying to put down other forums...it's just not my thing anymore.
Been around on and off since 2006 started with Newgnr.com although lurked for a few years before that. Never been on HTGTH so must of been mygnr. None of them are as active as they were back in the day tbf, although like you say people sadly are passing away like Brodie.
God even the concept of a proboards forum is old school now i guess
#719 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 109 weeks ago
He always seemed quite a straight shooter to be fair, even if he said something that later turned out not to happen I believed he believed it when he said it. Never got the sense he was trying to palm people off with what they wanted to hear like others may have done.
#720 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 109 weeks ago
Lurked here for years on and off, seems like an interesting time to take the plunge and signup
