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#711 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 473 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Couldn't agree with you more...seems like you and I are in the minority...too often I find those that disagree with me here about taxes/philosophies speak in such the abstract (almost in a way that they don't see how it directly affects them) that it's almost like a football announcer looking down on the field.

Almost like sometimes it feels like some people aren't directly in the game.

The check I had to cut last year kinda made me gulp, haha. But that means:

1) I'm making money

and more importantly

2) The taxes I pay help support an infrastructure for a guy like me to thrive in. I do prefer my taxes are allocated to social welfare, education, healthcare etc because I believe that would benefit society as a whole, and then ultimately our economy. IE, raise people up/more people win.

People who bitch about paying taxes are selfish IMO. The guys who tiled my house have more work than they know what to do with. A small business owners dream come true. They listen to right wing radio all day, constantly complain about government, and take cash only as payment. I'm not sure what they're bitching about. I'm sure they pay little to no taxes, they sure as shit don't have a business license, E and O insurance, etc etc. They utilize the infrastructure we have in this country to excel in their business, then give little back to it, all while complaining the whole time. Makes no sense to me. But then again, I'm not selfish.

#712 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 473 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

And I do think there's a subtle foundation being laid to eventually try to oust Trump. I still think impeachment is the easiest, unless they give him an ultimatum to resign.

Corker's words in particular, seem to be laying a groundwork for this. I thought it was just a guy finally hitting the wall with Trump, but somebody pointed out that the the statements were much more specific.

Rush Limbaugh said he is worried about Trump acting too much like a dictator right now. Rush Limbaugh. Let that sink in.

#713 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 473 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

SLC, c'mon, man. The law is aimed at seniors and literally says that. No matter how rare the instance would be, no law should ever dictate speech. You should know this will bleed out much, much more.  Which is the intent.

I'm against people trying to legislate religious beliefs into law, which always begins innocuously, right? How is identity politics (thought crimes) different than that?

The people who wrote this up claim it would only be exercised if they found that it lead to violence towards a person etc.

The idea is stupid, but nobody is going to jail for failure to use the proper verbiage when addressing a transperson. Ever. That's what I disagree with you saying.

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#715 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 474 weeks ago

“I HATE EVERYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!”: TRUMP SEETHES AS ADVISERS FEAR THE PRESIDENT IS “UNRAVELING”

At first it sounded like hyperbole, the escalation of a Twitter war. But now it’s clear that Bob Corker’s remarkable New York Times interview—in which the Republican senator described the White House as “adult day care” and warned Trump could start World War III—was an inflection point in the Trump presidency. It brought into the open what several people close to the president have recently told me in private: that Trump is “unstable,” “losing a step,” and “unraveling.”

The conversation among some of the president’s longtime confidantes, along with the character of some of the leaks emerging from the White House has shifted. There’s a new level of concern. NBC News published a report that Trump shocked his national security team when he called for a nearly tenfold increase in the country’s nuclear arsenal during a briefing this summer. One Trump adviser confirmed to me it was after this meeting disbanded that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called Trump a “moron.”

In recent days, I spoke with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods. Trump’s ire is being fueled by his stalled legislative agenda and, to a surprising degree, by his decision last month to back the losing candidate Luther Strange in the Alabama Republican primary. “Alabama was a huge blow to his psyche,” a person close to Trump said. “He saw the cult of personality was broken.”

According to two sources familiar with the conversation, Trump vented to his longtime security chief, Keith Schiller, “I hate everyone in the White House! There are a few exceptions, but I hate them!” (A White House official denies this.) Two senior Republican officials said Chief of Staff John Kelly is miserable in his job and is remaining out of a sense of duty to keep Trump from making some sort of disastrous decision. Today, speculation about Kelly’s future increased after Politico reported that Kelly’s deputy Kirstjen Nielsen is likely to be named Homeland Security Secretary—the theory among some Republicans is that Kelly wanted to give her a soft landing before his departure.

One former official even speculated that Kelly and Secretary of Defense James Mattis have discussed what they would do in the event Trump ordered a nuclear first strike. “Would they tackle him?” the person said. Even Trump’s most loyal backers are sowing public doubts. This morning, The Washington Post quoted longtime Trump friend Tom Barrack saying he has been “shocked” and “stunned” by Trump’s behavior.

While Kelly can’t control Trump’s tweets, he is doing his best to physically sequester the president—much to Trump’s frustration. One major G.O.P. donor told me access to Trump has been cut off, and his outside calls to the White House switchboard aren’t put through to the Oval Office. Earlier this week, I reported on Kelly’s plans to prevent Trump from mingling with guests at Mar-a-Lago later this month. And, according to two sources, Keith Schiller quit last month after Kelly told Schiller he needed permission to speak to the president and wanted written reports of their conversations.

The White House denies these accounts. “The President’s mood is good and his outlook on the agenda is very positive,” an official said.

West Wing aides have also worried about Trump’s public appearances, one Trump adviser told me. The adviser said aides were relieved when Trump canceled his appearance on the season premiere of 60 Minutes last month. “He’s lost a step. They don’t want him doing adversarial TV interviews,” the adviser explained. Instead, Trump has sat down for friendly conversations with Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee, whose daughter is Trump’s press secretary. (The White House official says the 60 Minutes interview is being rescheduled.)

Even before Corker’s remarks, some West Wing advisers were worried that Trump’s behavior could cause the Cabinet to take extraordinary Constitutional measures to remove him from office. Several months ago, according to two sources with knowledge of the conversation, former chief strategist Steve Bannon told Trump that the risk to his presidency wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment—the provision by which a majority of the Cabinet can vote to remove the president. When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 … e-advisers

#716 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 474 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

I’m a business owner who will end the year paying out about $750k in wages, all kinds of red tape and I deal with beauracracy all the time.

I should be a republican.

Well it's what I told a Republican business owner here that was bellyaching to me about taxes: We both own businesses, I also cut a large check to Uncle Sam the year prior. The only difference is I'm not a big fucking crybaby about it.

#717 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 474 weeks ago

Trump's latest:

Challenges Tillerson to an IQ test
Apparently wants to increase our nuclear arsenal 10 fold
Has now threatened NBC over a nuclear weapons report
In feud with Bob Corker
STILL talking shit about the NFL on Twitter

Support from the GOP is starting to crumble. They are starting to see Trump as mentally unstable and dangerous to the world. I hope more join in, so we can get rid of him. The North Korea tough guy talk is really starting to get me nervous.

#718 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 474 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Now you can go to jail in California if you call a transgender by the wrong sex.


Seriously.


I don't see how this is constitutional.

That's not what the law says. Are you reading Brietbart now ?

#719 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I agree. But that's not neemos argument.


I'm not saying it was.

And...military spending is a form of infrastructure???

#720 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

What you can’t apparently grasp is we value our constitution and rights. The 2nd amendment is a right in America. The right to own a firearm is indisputable. And unlike Australia or England, we setup our constitution so it can’t be altered at the drop of a hat.
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This isn't about the second amendment. It never was.

This is about selfishness.

Two dozen children get murdered, and selfish men march in the street, take to social media, and beat their chests that nobody is taking their gun away. They don't care who gets shot, they only care about themselves.

The NRA sells a twisted view of the Second Amendment. They sell fear. They also happen to sell guns.

How laughable you and Buzz are. I could only imagine if we had guys like you around when we were building this country. We wouldn't have gotten anything done at all!

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