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#721 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
No. You're wrong. We can't keep drugs (illegal) or undocumented people (illegal) out of this country and you think banning guns is going to fix anything? At least I assume that's your brilliant idea that will "greatly reduce" it. If it's something far more intelligent than that, please share...
Like I said. The usual weak men making the same old tired arguments, capitulating to gun salesmen no less. How absolutely pathetic!
It does work moron. Australia did it. Other countries that have strict gun laws show that it's effective every single day. Yes there may still be crimes that involve guns, but they are a fraction of what we have here.
#722 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
"There's nothing we can do about it."
Editorial: Silencers. Armor-piercing bullets. The shameless GOP agenda
Silencers? Armor-piercing bullets? Carrying concealed weapons across state lines?
No problem.
The Las Vegas massacre, the most deadly shooting in modern U.S. history, may have slowed Republican congressional efforts to relax gun controls. But it won’t stop them.
Before Stephen Paddock opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, killing at least 59 and injuring more than 500, Republicans were pushing NRA-backed legislation to loosen restrictions on weaponry.
The Sportsman Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act (you gotta love those euphemisms) would loosen federal regulation of gun silencers and legalize sale of armor-piercing bullets. Separate legislation would allow people with concealed weapons permits to cross state lines with their hidden guns.
Before Sunday, the House was expected to pass the bills soon. But on Tuesday morning, House Speaker Paul Ryan, asked about the SHARE Act, said he did not know when it would be scheduled for a vote. Translation: Let the furor die down and then get back to business as usual.
What’s amazing is that the bills are even being considered, and before Sunday were so close to a vote.
Republicans weren’t deterred by 49 killed at an Orlando nightclub; 14 in San Bernardino; 10 in Roseburg, Ore.; nine at a historic black church in Charleston; 20 students and six employees at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., or seven at Oikos University in Oakland. Just some of the mass shootings since 2011.
They weren’t deterred in June when a gunman wounded four, including Majority Whip Steve Scalise, during the Republican congressional baseball team’s practice.
Nor in 2011 when six died at a Tucson supermarket during the attempted assassination of Democratic Rep. Gabby Giffords, who was shot in the head but miraculously survived.
The GOP and some Democrats are so addicted to NRA money that they continually ignore the repeated gun slaughters in this nation.
Indeed, they don’t even want to know the relationship between gun violence and public health. For two decades they have blocked federal funding for research on the topic by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
And now silencers, armor-piercing bullets and interstate transport of concealed weapons.
Silencers have been strictly regulated since 1934. The NRA wants to make them easier to obtain, ostensibly to protect hunters’ hearing. It just wants to help the gun industry sell more weaponry, even though silencers would make locating shooters in emergency situations, such as the Las Vegas massacre, more difficult.
As for armor-piercing bullets, they would only be legal if the manufacturer claims the ammunition is for “sporting purposes.” (Like when you just know that deer is wearing a flak jacket.) And the portability of concealed weapons permits across state lines would undermine attempts in states like California to limit who can carry a hidden gun.
The legislation claims to be about recreational use of guns. But it goes way beyond that. It’s time to look hard at the violence in our own nation, and end the proliferation of weaponry that feeds it.
#723 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
The argument that we can stop all gun violence is a false one. Nobody is making that claim. However we do have evidence that we can greatly reduce it.
Pretty straight forward.
#724 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
I choose to live in the real world. Still waiting for a solution Mr imaginary world...
You're both missing the point. Solutions are brought up every single time this happens. Powerless men, willing to accept the murder of little children on an almost daily basis, always argue against solutions with pre-packaged NRA talking points. They resort to semantics, false equivalency and circular logic.
#725 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
Anybody who not only settles for this, but defends it, is a loser. No other way around it.
If you accept this, you'll accept just about anything I'd imagine. The word passive doesn't even begin to define this mentality.
#726 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
I don't even own a gun and never have you shit. Answer the fucking questions about your solution or get the fuck out of here.
I never said you owned a gun. I said you were a weak apologist. 600 people shot and here you are....
#727 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
Do you have an independent idea to contribute to the discussion?
I do actually. I see a couple of quitters. Defeatists. Weak "men" who parrot talking points by the cheap whores in Congress bought/paid for by the NRA. Circular logic and regurgitated semantics which are completely void of common sense. All wrapped up in this passive "nothing can be done" attitude while the status quo bends you over and guns down our kids everyday.
What kind of men not only consent to this but defend it after every new shooting? Powerless men. Weak. Too scared to go out in the world and get what they want. I bet you both settled for ugly wives huh?
#728 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
Can you offer a solution or are you just going to bitch? Legitimate question.
I know you well enough to know this isn't a legit question.
#729 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
You're comparing apples and oranges but that's not surprising. We can't even stop people from coming into this country but you think a gun ban will stop bad guys from getting whatever they want? Very naive.
Still waiting for your solution btw...
Same old tired arguments from the same old tired apologists.
#730 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 475 weeks ago
Why has Australia's mass shootings dropped dramatically?? Can we not admit we have a fucking problem??? Jesus Christ, 600 people just got shot and you guys say nothing can be done.
Pistols ok
Shotguns ok
Hunting rifle ok
AR 15 with 100 round mag and a bump stock is NOT OKAYcan we at least admit this simple shit?
It's been shown over and over again. More guns = more deaths by guns. Less guns = less death by guns.
600 people shot and "nothing we can do about it." Give me a break.
You're right. Australia absolutely did it.
There is a very graphic video of the shooting on Live Leak. I read about it last night, and that was enough. I am not interested in watching something like that. However I believe all our Senators and Americans who think nothing can be done, SHOULD watch it. Watch something like that, the carnage, then come back and tell us there is no solution and this is the status quo.
