buzzsaw wrote:

mitchejw wrote:

Losses of over a billion dollars in a decade....and no one cares.

Why should we?  You know how many wealthy people lost a shit ton of (theoretical) money over that time period?

OJ Simpson?

Honestly, 1985-1995 wasn't much of a 'Run for the hills the economy isa crashing!!" era, lets not make it out like it was. 91-92 there was a recession, fairly mild one but the timing of it, added with 12 years of Reagan/Bush Presidency it was time for people to choose a new direction. It was not, however, a time where everyone lost everything. Especially the rich.

I may be mistaken but prove me wrong by naming names of those who were wiped out.

Honest question:  Does anyone else feel it's occasionally somewhat implied that the russian lawyer who met with Trump & Kush & all might have been a setup?  Almost like a sting operation setup by the Feds. 

I've gotten that impression once or twice, and can't quite get a grasp on it.  If it was, I can't imagine her being much welcomed back in Russia.

buzzsaw wrote:

bigbri wrote:

Buzz, I'm not quoting your post because it's a page or so back, but I totally agree with most of what you say about healthcare. It's screwed up. I don't have an answer. I do know that I think the cost of health care, drugs, rooms, even getting an education that gets you into the industry is incredibly overpriced and rising at astonishing rates. Why? I wish I knew.

I don't have a suggested plan. Universal healthcare? Sounds good. Who pays? We all do with higher taxes. I don't think dismantling what we have without giving the people who rely on it something else is wise. COBRA is laughingly expensive, and that's what many of my friends have had to do before the ACA.

You clearly have a much more intimate look at this topic with a deeper knowledge. I can only speak to what my dozens of laid off friends and family members have gone through. It's been shitty and as you say probably will remain so.

I do know a lot about it, but I don't know everything, and admittedly I have my biases because I see things from a point of view that may not be a popular point of view.  Here's what I do know...the government can't do anything efficiently.  Ask a veteran about their VA experiences for example.  I don't trust them to be able to effectively run healthcare.  I know some disagree with that, but I've seen nothing that even hints they can do it.

How can you say this and call for price fixing? That is the definition of government getting involved.

Quite frankly I’m tired of this argument because it is so poorly thought out. OK government has a history of not running things very well, why does that imply or even serve as proof that the private sector is doing a good job? All the private sector serves to do is to accumulate more and more wealth in certain pockets of the country. Most of us continue to fall further and further behind. The goal is not to make sure we’re all fed and healthy and happy, the goal is to squeeze us until we submit.  Until we submit into indentured servitude. Until were all willing to work for the absolute bare minimum.

So yeah, when someone tells me the government isn’t running things right, then I look at the private sector and its like well it ain’t too great over here either.