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#771 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
I think that what Slash is alleged to have done is probably quite minor in the overall scheme of things. Particularly against the backdrop of what the others including Axl have done in the past.
Yet Axl has held this grudge for so long and built up whatever Slash as done into something so significant, that he probably can't come out and say exactly what the reasons are now because everyone would laugh and say "is that it, is that why you've held a 20 year grudge for? How pathetic.
#772 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
Thought these couple of posts on mygnr by Marc Canter summed things up quite well:
I knew from the start that it was going to be a problem with Axl in the same room with Slash. Thats why I said for me it would be fine if they didn't play just being in the same room was going to be good enough for me. This whole thing is very sad for me to watch. If Axl would just get some Counseling about his beef with Slash, it wouldn't fix all the problem between them, it would lesson the blow and maybe he would be able to live life a little better.
The biggest problem is when you hold that much anger for someone, it's stops you from living life and doing the things you like to do and should be doing. If you hold a ball under water it will take both of your hands to do it. The problem is now all your energy is being used up to hold the ball under the water, now you can't swim. Let the fuck go of the hate and swim away. This is not very healthy to harbor this shit for ever. At some point you die and fine out you wasted half of your life. Talk to someone that can help, so you can get this shit of your back and start to breath again.
#773 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
For the last time, this is not about the hall. It's about Slash and maybe Steven.
Yeah that's what it seems to me. He may not rate the honour very highly but I think the crux of the matter is with Slash and Adler and being involved with them for the evening.
#774 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
I actually think it's a cool photo.
#775 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
Noticed Axl had this pic with the letter, is this the first proper band photo we have of this lineup?

Also the fact he sent that with the statement is just another unnecessary back handed swipe at the old guys IMO.
#776 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
Well my take on the whole thing....
First thoughts are he is a very bitter old man that doesn't appear to have grown one ounce over the last 20 odd years. Rather he seems to have gotten worse, he is even more bitter and nasty now if that's possible. Not that I needed this HOF statement to confirm that.
As Monkey said, it seems the fact that he can't control this whole thing is definitely an element in his decision not to be there. Sounds like he has tried to negotiate with them over who is going, or who gets to play or maybe even who gets inducted.
I thought this comment was interesting:
the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.
Maybe it was a big shock for him to come up against someone that actually said "NO" to him for a change. Must be a slap in the face to find out that not everybody bows down at the Rose Altar. Although just because someone didn't agree with him or bend over to accomodate him it doesn't automatically mean he's not wanted or respected. But then again when those people you sourround yourself with for years don't have the word "No" in their vocabulary when you want something, it must come as quite a shock when confronted with it.
Another point, who is this "we" he speaks of? Is he not his own fucking man?
Since then we've listened to fans
Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards
This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective
I'm sure it is the Lebeis' and Del no doubt. This whole "our camp" thing is really divisive. He speaks like they are waring factions and they all sit around a table and discuss their military strategy for everything. I'm sure they probably get involved in the decision making these days on when is a good time for him to take a shit. Why can't he man up and just say "I'. Take your balls out of your camps purse and be your own man for once, make your own decisions. The irony of him having a swipe at "the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types". Is he not able to see the greed and conflict of interest of those around him that are sitting on his own gravy train?
I also find these two statement contradictary:
had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame,......Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.
If you haven't made any requests or demands then what is there to "work out". If you are after an "amicable solution", this implies a solution that is acceptable to both parties. Therefore it must involve some type of requests or demands from both sides. So which is it?
I thought this was a swipe at Sorum too:
along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make
But if he doesn't feel Sorum should be there then I would have thought by logical extension that it means Dizzy shouldn't be there either. Nice!
Finally, to refuse to accept his induction altogether is unforgiveable. That to me is another chance for him to indirectly control/influence the other old guys by basically shitting on their parade. By all means don't go for whatever petty reasons but seriously, don't fucken refuse the award. Yes it's his right, but fuck me have some level of graciousness and consideration for others for just once in your life.
I found this curious too:
but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.
Is he implying the ball is in Slash's court for a reunion??? What does he want him to do?
#777 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 735 weeks ago
I was actually surprised by this comment:
But alas, I am only responsible for me, and can only speak for me. I have forgiven and forgotten. I have grown up and manned up. Part of me growing has been to realize I am powerless over others.
I thought in more recent times Duff had gone soft. But at least there he calls it like it is. Time for other certain individuals to grow up and man up.
#778 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 735 weeks ago
ESPN Article by Duff
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/ … id=7799013
APPETITE FOR INDUCTION
Some of you may know that my band Guns N' Roses will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this weekend in Cleveland. My editor has been hoping that somehow I could write about what this whole thing is like from the "inside."
Truthfully, it has been hard for me to find a good place from which to start and write such an article, head-space wise.
We are not a band anymore, and haven't been for some time. We are all still alive and well, but there has been some muddy water that has gone underneath the bridge. But water, muddy or otherwise, does indeed flow past and forever away, and I have nothing but the best of memories and highest level of love and admiration and feelings of brotherhood with all of those dudes. Seriously.
I was sent a sort of open letter addressed to us guys in GNR from a fella named Chris Gehert on behalf of "Worldwide Guns N' Roses Fans," and it sort of stopped me short. I will run it now in its entirety
"Dear Guns N' Roses,
On Saturday April 14th 2012 you will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This gave a great hope to every GNR fan on the planet for a one time reunion show. Our one and only chance to see the original lineup on stage together again, if only for five minutes. Something we've been told for years would never happen. Rumors swirled, the band denied, and the fans prayed. It will always be okay because you never promised us anything.
With less than 2 weeks before the induction, the fans are watching as our reunion hopes start to disappear like Marty McFly's family in a polaroid picture. Each day it seems like there is some new story about how there has been no communication, nobody knows what is required of them, nobody's talking, and nobody really seems to care.
We care.
It would be easy for you to just show up, accept the induction, spend a few awkward minutes together at a podium and not talk again until somebody's funeral. But this time we need more.
We are not trying to be selfish, God knows you have given us plenty of legendary songs, spectacular shows, and classic rock moments. You are sincerely the best rock band in the history of the world. All of your solo efforts and reincarnations of the group are awesome too.
Your music has inspired billions of people. Each one of you is still a fan inside. You loved Elton John, Aerosmith, Queen, Kiss, The Misfits, ELO and more. Please remember how great it feels to see your favorite band play.
We beg you to pick up the phone, grab your instruments, drag Izzy to Cleveland and play together.
You can make music history. Please do it. Give us one more memory. We deserve it.
We will continue to support you no matter what, but at the end of each concert Axl tells the crowd to "Not take ... from anyone." And that means ANYONE!
Sincerely,
Worldwide Guns N' Roses Fans."
And to this point: The one reason that I am going to Cleveland this weekend is not to savor in some polite accolade or because an award show is that important to me. I am going because I have realized how important this is all to those many, many fans that supported us and believed in us, and showed up for us in droves.
Music is not like sports, and hence, a Hall of Fame in music is almost a false pedestal to sit upon. There are no statistics in music and art. No band or artist is "better" than another. Music comes from a primal place. Thin air. Dreams. And a lot of really hard damn work.
No one worked harder than us back then, and we were very fortunate to have met each other in those dirty back alleys of Hollywood sometime in 1984. We meshed and wrote, created thunder and beauty, and parlayed our real-life experience into an album that somehow related to a whole angsty world that felt just like us right then and there. It was a brilliant time.
I, too, now hope that we can just play a couple of songs there, and just sort of throw the microphone down on the stage and walk off. The rock-and-roll world would be set ablaze once again ... and we could make a bunch of fans happy and sated to some degree.
But alas, I am only responsible for me, and can only speak for me. I have forgiven and forgotten. I have grown up and manned up. Part of me growing has been to realize I am powerless over others.
This whole deal, I hope, goes off without a hitch. I do hope we can achieve some grace in our acceptance. And I hope this grace, is enough, in the end, for the best rock and roll fans in the world. The Guns N' (f---ing) Roses fans.
-- Duff
#779 Re: Guns N' Roses » Does Talent create responsibility to use that talent? » 735 weeks ago
Yeah so if he died in say 20 years hopefly not could the record company release any of his songs had recorded
If Axl died tomorrow and his estate left control of any unreleased music in his "vault" to the Lebeis', we would be inundated with new music. I reckon they would pimp everything out in a heartbeat.
#780 Re: Guns N' Roses » Does Talent create responsibility to use that talent? » 735 weeks ago
Whether people share their talents for the benefit of others really IMO comes down to how narcissistic they are.
Obviously there is no requirement that any of them should. However, some individuals decide at times to do things purely for the benefit of others rather than for their own selfish desires.
Take for example doctors that might be specialised in a particular area. Many volunteer their time to take trips to third world countries and perform work on people for no benefit other than their own satisifaction from making some type of humanitarian contribution.
Are they expected to? No. Do they owe these people this? No. They are perfectly entitled to stay in their own country and spend that time seeing regular paying patients and continue to amass their fortune if they choose.
So why do some people do this? What is the point of doing things that benefit others, helping others, making other people happy? Maybe these people like to give something back once in a while. Maybe they recognise how lucky they are and therefore at times choose to put other peoples interests above their own for a change.
They are certainly not obligated to. So to relate it back to GNR, Axl can sit in Malibu Howllow for the rest of his life and continue to squander his gifted attributes if he chooses. It's his right, it depends on how narcissistic he is.
IMO he has already given a great deal of pleasure with the material he has already released. At the same time it's disappinting knowing his artistic potential (whether that be with the original band, the BH era or the current lineup) that we just haven't had the pleasure of sharing in more of his talent.
