faldor wrote:

I’ll never pass up new songs but what the hell kind of timing is this release? Taking advantage of the Holiday music buying crowd? Simply to go along with the tour announcement and tickets going on sale? Doesn’t it make more sense to release songs closer to the start of the tour? Ultimately it doesn’t matter because the songs will come out and the band/mainly Axl won’t do anything with them. Unless things are different now? Nah, can’t be.

They haven't had proper management in eons. The brief period they had real management is when we got Chinese Democracy. TB took over after that. The only thing that runs competently is the touring machine and Live Nation does the heavy lifting there.

Everything but touring is just TB pretending like they know what they're doing and the big 3 indulging it because album and merch sales are a tiny percentage of their profits.

If this was the 90s when album sales were the bulk of your profits, they would've been immediately fired or GNR would've quickly been run into the ground.

Bill Brasky wrote:

I do find it coincidental that umg was expecting Chinese Democracy in 1999 but we got the orginal release of live era instead, Then again umg was expecting Chinese Democracy in 2004 but we got greatest hits instead. Now i was told umg was expecting a release from gnr on June 6th 2025 but we got a reissue/remaster of live era instead.
Notice a pattern ?

It's beyond coincidence....it was a strategy.

Bait and switch.

They've been doing it since day one of the saga....and continue to do it.

One of the worst was the 2006 Harley Davidson ad. Fan base going ape shit when we heard Better would be launched....they wind up using PC instead.

"See ya next summer with a bunch of new songs!"....

Nope... but you almost get AFD in its entirety.

It always winds up going back to AFD. ALWAYS.

It's a fucking miracle we ever got anything at all.

He wound up being another David Gilmour....he wanted the band name and everything that comes with it for himself but didn't have the drive or motivation to really pull it off.

Also why would Axl be talking about a marketing plan at the may 5th Japan gnr show on the iem recording for the new songs if they weren't ready for release ?

There is no marketing plan....there will never be a marketing plan.

These songs have been sitting there for years. We're still waiting on songs Slash talked about working on back in what....2018 or 19?

Would love to know why they’re skipping Boston this year.

A Private Eye wrote:

Nothin and Atlas confirmed to be released next week Dec 2nd.

Plus a new tour. I wanna be excited I really do. Atlas and Nothin do well nothing for me tho.

Bill Brasky wrote:

Shacklermyrye wrote:

No the sound effect thing that sounds like a dentist drill lol

Now i look foolish but shit happens.

After a second listen yes i can hear the dentist drill esq sound effect.
Nice attention to detail on your part.
Very interesting also !

The fact Hardschool was originally worked on before nugnr era and continued to be worked on during the nugnr lend credence to Tooth Puller being carried over also especially with the dentist drill sound effect.

Honestly the first time anyone has mentioned that to me.

I obviously don't know that Tonto it is toothpuller but I  do wonder if the noise could be there as a shot or way of making fun of Izzy maybe.

The first time I heard about Toothpuller came from before the DATS had been discovered..

The following appeared in Metalsludge in 2006. There was no way of really backing the veracity of it until the DATS were discovered years later. If someone made up the Dizzy quotes then they would have had to guess that there was a song called Toothpuller (which is unlikely) Thanks to the DAT photos we can say that the song did exist, that it did have vocals & that at least Dizzy thought it was awful...

“Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contributions to Guns N’ Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire… I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio… and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" – it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean… this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he’s writing about getting his tooth pulled… I mean come on… can you imagine Axl singing that live?’(Dizzy https://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=30945 )

“in April 1995, Duff calls again: “I’m trying to write new songs for the next GN’R record. Come lend me a hand.” It’d been five years since I’d left Guns, but I told myself, “Well shit, after all, why not?” Duff and I wrote ten songs in one week, and also made demos of them. And I thought, “It’s so easy.” When you work with someone like Duff, who loves music in the same way you do, everything becomes simple.” (French Izzy interview, 2001)

Some other comments on the time....

“He's been writing; he wrote some stuff with Duff. He wants to write songs, but he doesn't wanna deal with the whole thing. And it took me a while to finally get to the point where I couldn't handle it either, y'know? He wants to write material, but he's not really sure what he wants to do. He's so laid back. He doesn't want to deal with any pressure. Izzy does what he wants to do.” (Slash Metal Hammer November 1995)

“We recorded 10 songs in eight days. It got me excited about music again. I realized how easy the whole process could be. Those sessions were fun and painless. We just had a great time.”(Izzy Los Angeles Daily News, March 20, 1998)

“I'm using a Music Man Stingray. I started using it onstage. I've always liked these basses. Actually, when we were trying to do the Guns album I broke this bass out, and it just sounded amazing. It's bigger and fatter sounding. (Duff Hit  parader June 1999)

Did a bunch of research on that time a few years back, Definitely would have spoken to Zombux about it.

If you think some of the CD era songs may have started from those sessions then listen to Tonto and tell me what you hear at 1:49