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#791 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
war wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Me too. Arguing with someone just for the sake of doing so isn't my thing...well, not as much as it used to be anyway. My point is pretty clear (to most people, though I haven't taken a poll to confirm that).
nice jab on your way out the door
honestly, i think we agree on 90 percent of what the other is saying - maybe i haven't been clear enough on my points or you just haven't been listening well enough.
I have no idea why the usa so clearly likes gnr less than the rest of the world but it's got to have something to do with the over all market. metallica and ac/dc are still doing well are they not? so that makes it all more difficult BUT it is clear that the music played on the radio in the us is drastically different than every place else.
I think you're right. I think the big difference is that I am pretty sure I know exactly why and you're either not sure or don't want to acknowledge the likely answer.
yes, ofcourse you do.......
i agree with buzz that (even disregarding the line-up) nobody wants a reinvented gnr in sound or atleast the odler folks don't and they are the ones potentially interested. CD is too different. outisde of a reunion, gnr needs a more classsic sounding album if they want to see better success in the us. the problem with that is if they fail they will lose some more fans.
do you need me to translate that buzz because i'm sure you're reading "slash sucks, i want axl's balls, new gnr is the best version of gnr ever, the usa prefers bumblefoot in gnr to slash"
#792 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
i thought it was funny
#793 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
DCK wrote:Think I'm backing out of this debate
Me too. Arguing with someone just for the sake of doing so isn't my thing...well, not as much as it used to be anyway. My point is pretty clear (to most people, though I haven't taken a poll to confirm that).
nice jab on your way out the door 
honestly, i think we agree on 90 percent of what the other is saying - maybe i haven't been clear enough on my points or you just haven't been listening well enough.
I have no idea why the usa so clearly likes gnr less than the rest of the world but it's got to have something to do with the over all market. metallica and ac/dc are still doing well are they not? so that makes it all more difficult BUT it is clear that the music played on the radio in the us is drastically different than every place else.
#794 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
There's no way a reunion could disappoint me because all I want is them playing on stage together.
fine with me and you are not alone. i'd go if they're were new songs, but only if......
Slash is on top of his game right now as far as playing goes...probably better than he was in 92.
i don't agree but this is opinion and i'm not taking an axl vs. slash stance here. i love both of them but it would be irrelevant if i didn't.
I'm sorry if you don't like the way the world sees things.
yes, it tears me up inside to know that axl rose, who is near the age of 50 and has more money than god, can't outdo himself from his hay day years.
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the world is a community of individuals. i would agree that most prefer old gnr - a few like both - a fewer yet prefer new. add what's left of the traditionalists who still care and the fans of the new band and you still have a less than grand following of gnr. certainly less than the original.
If you can somehow change that, I suggest focusing on something more important than how the world views GnR.
weird - i am the one telling you the same
You can continue to live in your little batcave of denial, but it's pretty hard to refute how I present the general view of GnR by the public.
agreed but thanks again for the speech.
are you reading off of cue cards?
Even some of the biggest fans get it.
im a fan of old and new so i trust my objectivity.
Someday maybe you will too - then you can be at peace with enjoying what you like instead of being upset with how the rest of the world views what you like.
i AM at peace and that is why i do NOT care what the rest of the world thinks of a stupid band.
you cannot honestly say that about yourself so don't call the kettle black.
To you, everything is a series of amazing coincidences and none of it in any way reflects the public's lack of interest in this band. I don't see it that way - I see it as the public's disinterest coming through loud and clear. We'll have to agree to see it differently.
weird again cause i've agreed with that now three times. "why?" is the question. i say it's more than who plays guitar. i say had the band never broke up they'd been more dead and earlier then they are now. that's what time does to a band like gnr. the most troubling part of it all is the one who tried to change along with the scene couldn't do so without isolating himself from the rest of the band.
#795 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dj Ashba and Dizzy Reed: "We're working on a new album" » 829 weeks ago
war wrote:slash didnt leave because of late starts - i don't care what he said in his book. it was the way they were approaching the band/music. axl wanted to explore and incorporate and he also wanted three guitar players. slash wanted to stay the same and probably was hurt by axl bringing in other players. i don't think it's a conincidence that he left shortly after axl started bringing people in like zack wilde.
Let's pretend that is the biggest reason why he left. Can you blame him? How would Axl have responded if the rest of the band wanted to bring in another singer?:/
i don't blame him at all.
#796 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dj Ashba and Dizzy Reed: "We're working on a new album" » 829 weeks ago
war wrote:responses -
agree that spaghetti incident was tight - just not meant to be a huge seller.
slash didnt leave because of late starts - i don't care what he said in his book. it was the way they were approaching the band/music. axl wanted to explore and incorporate and he also wanted three guitar players. slash wanted to stay the same and probably was hurt by axl bringing in other players. i don't think it's a conincidence that he left shortly after axl started bringing people in like zack wilde.
don't think so
#797 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
war: I don't have to speak personally for anybody.
no, instead, you speak generally for everybody : )
The numbers tell the story.
the numbers tell us that gnr is not as popular as it used to be - nothing more, nothing less. the question is why. the numbers don't address that. i believe a reunion ALBUM would show that far less care about the band regardless of the guitar player. i think the reasons for cd doing less than uy1 has more to do with other factors then who plays guitar, like the fact of the matter that old fashioned rock is old hat. a reunion would provide a much milder surge in popularity then many think IMO.
You need to quit making it personal.
um ok... i guess you mean i should speak for others rather than just myself like you do????? : )
I've taken nothing personal and question why you think I have.
I am completely acknowledging that there are a few people that love CD. I always have. I'm not saying you can't like it, I'm telling you what the rest of the world is thinking.
an amazing feat.
They don't care. Sales numbers back that up. Attendance figures back that up. Forum participation backs that up. I don't need to take a formal poll. The evidence is all there, but you're choosing to ignore it because you don't like it. It is the reality of the situation. It always has been and now that the curiosity factor is gone, it's more true today than it was before CD came out.
you should try reading people's posts rather than immediately going to your "realist versus ostrich" scoop....I made it clear in my last post, which you are responding to, that I prefer the original line-up and its's discography to "new gnr"'s and wish they had not broken up. all i've essentially said is that I like "new gnr" and it is still a relevant act regardless of how inferior it's relevance in numbers is to the success gnr enjoyed in the 90's. slash is only one of many reasons for the decline. a reunion would dissappoint in both numbers and quality IMO for the same reasons new gnr dissappointed on the pop charts, which can be summed up in one word - old.
#798 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour » 829 weeks ago
wow, buzz. to say that axl has done nothing or may as well do nothing is as silly as you, again, speaking on behalf of all gnr fans when you say that basically people only care about gnr with slash in it. personally, i wish that gnr never would have broken up. i enjoy cd less than i probably did uy1 or appetite back in the day but right now it is one of the better rock cd's anyone has made in the last 10 years IMO and, realisitcally, a reunited gnr has little to no chance of making an album better than cd in substance IMO. would it outsell cd? ofcourse. but would you be happy with a number one album with no twat in it? i wouldn't. the fact that you only like the one song on cd sucks for you as a gnr fan that is thinking of how much more could've been had they not broken up. i feel bad for that but there are people that like new gnr and the number one consumer of music consists of a lot of young people that don't pay attention to gnr because of their age and genre of music. that would not change with a reunion. the seperation of gnr is what is fueling whatever output they are producing as musicians. bring them together again and you have the a bunch of tired musicians with the same issues they had when they broke up, playing to the same fan base new gnr is playing to right now (re-insert the scorned slash/gnr fans). maturity may make things a little bit easier but it would also neutralize the chemistry and angst that made them great. original gnr is dead whether you can get them in the same room or not.
#799 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dj Ashba and Dizzy Reed: "We're working on a new album" » 829 weeks ago
responses -
agree that spaghetti incident was tight - just not meant to be a huge seller.
slash didnt leave because of late starts - i don't care what he said in his book. it was the way they were approaching the band/music. axl wanted to explore and incorporate and he also wanted three guitar players. slash wanted to stay the same and probably was hurt by axl bringing in other players. i don't think it's a conincidence that he left shortly after axl started bringing people in like zack wilde.
#800 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dj Ashba and Dizzy Reed: "We're working on a new album" » 830 weeks ago
war wrote:i just see artistic direction and vision as a big part of what tore them apart. why would they, all of the sudden, be on the same page if they repaired their friendship. slash would definitely have to be the one doing more of the compromising if it were to work musically.
Artistic direction back in 1994 presuming both followed those directions they should have covered all they wanted to do in whatever genres they were interested in and at this point be coming full circle for a reunion
irrelevant. it's not about genres - it's about axl wanting to constantly try different things and slash wanting to stay grounded. slash would have to be willing to explore whatever crazy ideas axl had in mind at the time.
