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#821 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mr ID and Axlin16 » 613 weeks ago
I decided to give the whole thing a listen.
Album review:
SLASH feat. MYLES KENNEDY & THE CONSPIRATORS -- "World On Fire" (2014)
World On Fire --- has a throwback Guns sound. It's very obvious from the on-set that Slashis playing and the song is designed in drums and rhythm to be a new era Guns song, especially with its throwback 80's sleaze rock sound.Myles sounds better than he should on this, but is still largely the weakest link. In some ways Myles sounds out of place on the song, while the rest of the band sounds like they performed this in the 80's. Could I see Axl on this? Ehh, maybe as a Live Like A Suicide song. Maybe. Slash does the noodly noodly solo, but nothing really pops solo-wise.
Shadow Life --- nice start, then kind of merges from World On Fire. Slash sounds great. Nice riffage.But the melody doesn't fit the rest of the song. This song was built for -- Scott Weiland. I could totally see Weiland on this. Not Axl. Sounds more like a throwback VR song than a GN'R song. Kinda drags towards the end. Definitely more 'modern rock' than I would've ever expected Slash to do, considering his comments on Corey.
Automatic Overrdrive --- solo immediately busts you in the teeth. Nice! Now this is Slash. Opening mini-solo sounds a bit like old era Iron Maiden. Slash showing his roots there. WOW! Great solo in this. Now this is throwback Slash! I could actually see/hear Axl on this one. Maybe as a GN'R B-side. Alot of Axl mini-screams, and Live Like A Suicide vocal padding. Not a great song, but Slash is the star here.
Wicked Stone --- average opening. Kinda sounds like Motley Crue. Ehh, a bit forgettable. Slash's guitar work sounds like a blend between Mick Mars and Robin Finck (Guns version), than it does Slash. Solo is too downplayed. Slash kinda doesn't quite "go for it". Then in the outro Slash just goes into tried and true shredding. Definitely couldn't hear Axl on this one.
30 Years To Life --- Wow, I love the W.A.S.P opening. That's badass. Oh yeah, I can hear Axl on this one. The high/low mix on melody and vocals is very UYI-era Guns. This is definitely a throwback Guns song. The attitude and feel is very B-side UYI II Axl imo. Even Myles sounds good on this. Oh yeah, here comes the solo, wow. Fuck yeah, FUCK YEAH. That's Slash! Like 1991-era Slash. Total UYI-vibe Axl/Slash. My favorite song on the album so far.
Bent To Fly --- nice opening. This is the kind of sound I like from Myles. When he's in his low register he sounds almost like Chris Cornell. Melody is catchy. Song sounds like a Cornell-sequel song from Slash 2010 rather than an Axl song. Best i've heard Myles in awhile. Solo is kind of forgettable. You keep waiting for Tremonti/Stapp to kick in on the melody. Another more 'modern rock' sound from Slash. It's good, not great.
Stone Blind --- ugh, not a great start. Umm... okay. The solo is fanfuckingtastic, the rest of the song fucking sucks. And no on the Axl thing.
Too Far Gone --- hmm, nothing about the instrumentation or vocals really jumps out at you. The melody is fantastic. It has an 80's melodic throwback sound to it. Part of me wonders had one of those bands gotten their hands on this song, like a Danger Danger or somebody, they could've turned it into something special. There's something there, but the song kinda fails for me. And no Axl.
Beneath The Savage Sun --- interesting start. Song is kinda busy, and the melody doesn't make much sense. Slash comes in with a rather interesting solo, that teases Metallica/Pink Floyd-isms and then kinda quits on it. Suddenly it turns into Soundgarden, which sounds okay. Then the big solo starts, suddenly Slash turns into Buckethead (nice, great solo). I could see Axl singing on this, because it's so confused, busy, and muddled as a song, it'd fit in nicely beside Riad N' The Bedouins.
Withered Delilah --- nice guitar intro, Myles sucks. Solo is nice, too short imo. Meh and no to Axl.
Battleground --- what the fuck, is this a Chris Cornell solo song? Is that Myles? Lolz. Beautiful voice in the intro. Nice. Smooth song. Wow, this is nice. Nice ballad. Myles sounds great. I could totally TOTALLY hear modern-day Axl on this, with his smooth angelic KOHD-live voice.
Not very Guns, more Velvet Revolver feat. Axl Rose, but it's there. This is up there with 30 Years as one of the best songs on the album. Oh wow, SMOOTH solo. This is throwback Don't Cry-Slash. Oh wow, tonally very-Brian May, circa Innuendo/Made In Heaven. Myles even channels Freddie a bit. That's why I think Axl would be perfect for this in the modern day. Fits his Queen-attitude on Chinese. Wow Slash comes in with a second solo that nails it as well. Very original. How is this song not getting played on the Hot 100? Very multi-platform hit.
Dirty Girl --- funky start. Very Crue. The whole song is frankly with hints of Van Hagar. It's a bit too cheese penis for my tastes. Throwback Bulletboys/Warrant-vibe. Slash's solo is a bit forgettable. Definitely don't see Axl on it.
Iris of the Storm --- melodically it's really cool, and Myles sounds good on it, but goddamn is that chorus fuckin' weak. Really? Seriously weak. Solo is okay. Not long enough. Second solo is even more interesting, and again not long enough. Don't see Axl on it.
Avalon --- meh, nice pacing, nice beat, nice tempo, but i'm just not feeling it, from the melody to the chorus to the rhythm. Slash's solo is stock. The whole song is stock as a matter of fact. And no to Senor Rose.
The Dissident --- Nice intro, bluegrass and the rock part. At this part the album is starting to sound a bit 'samey'. Ehh, the song sounds like it wants to be something, that it never quite achieves. Slash's solo is catchy, but not quite there. The song is too up-tempo and glam metal for its deep subject matter. Thumbs down. And no to Axl.
Safari Inn --- 3rd best song on the entire album. Slash sounds great. These are the kind of songs he should've been recording over 20 years ago on albums. Fantastic. Love everything about it. Fuck this sounds good.
The Unholy --- interesting song. The Soundgarden-type parts sound good, but then the chorus goes into the same old same old. Like half, and don't like the other half. Slash is forgettable. Drags on far too long. Slash comes in WAY too late to save it. That solo should've been at the 4-minute mark. And then it just ends? Fuck this song.
2.75/5 stars - Fairly Good album
I decided to listen to the whole thing. Basically in a nutshell, I agreed with about 90% of your recommendations actually. I added "Automatic Overdrive" to the 'Axl list', and subtracted "Wicked Stone", because I just couldn't feel Axl on it.
Overall you were pretty spot-on in your predictions. The songs you recommended were very Axl, either Chinese-era, or throwback Appetite-era songs.
I think the more ironic thing is, in some ways Slash went into a similar direction to Axl, musically, in the modern day. It's a shame they never saw eye-to-eye. They're more alike than they give themselves credit for. But Slash's number one flaw he still has is he records a bit too much material imo. The last three solo albums could've been mulled into 12-track best of's, and cut the fat. Some songs are great (a few), while others smack of Slash's entire career post-Guns... not great, not awful, just kinda there. And World On Fire is no exception.
#822 Re: Guns N' Roses » sp1at thread » 613 weeks ago
AC/DC is playing the Grammys tomorrow night. Pretty damn cool. Wish GNR could function like AC/DC and the Stones etc.
To an extent, yes. But at the same time, AC/DC is lucky they even got an invite in the modern day. The world still loves them, but America is more interested in what the Illuminati marks are doing, whether they be Katy Perry or Beyonce or whatever the capitalists happen to be pushing this week.
AC/DC is apart of an old generation. A dying generation. Just a band. No bullshit.
So yeah, i'd love for Guns to do something like that, but at the same time I like the fact that Axl in recent years has kept it close to the stuff that supports him, the band, and GN'R fans.
In other words, i'd much rather see Guns play the Golden Gods Awards show, and be loved there. Than to see pandering to commericials and globalists on the obviously rigged and scripted Grammy's.
In hind-sight, its been a good thing Axl fucked off in 1994. The music business keeps spiraling downward, and rock is straight up dead. The only thing remotely interesting to me anymore in the rock world is some of the grunge bands that are still recording. They're actually still really good.
#823 Re: Guns N' Roses » sp1at thread » 613 weeks ago
Axlin12 wrote:Interesting thread, but I think it brings even more proof into the theory that there never really was a big vault.
Axl himself said it, there was basically one more album, CD II, and that's probably it. Whatever left overs are still out there will be saved for a Special Edition as "Bucket Chunks" or something like that, a mish-mash of discarded B-Sides mixed with instrumentals, some remixes, and maybe a cover or two.
That's it.
Part of me wonders if Axl can get this out, whether it be a 2-CD or an LP + Incesticide-style EP, if Axl will go ahead and box up the new Guns era, and focus on either reuniting for nostalgia and a big pay day -- THEN retire.
As at the point when our forum existed (10 years ago), there were two albums worth of near complete songs, and a third album that required more work (some songs near complete, alongside others that required more work done). This information came from Sanctuary, at the time
Move forward 10 years, all the members offer their own songs, Axl rejects 95 per cent of them, so you can possibly add another 3-6 songs into the equation, but they would need Axl-fying, which would require Axl working on the songs.
Given no external musicians have been hired for ages, no major work has been done to any new tracks for a long time. So CD2 has to be the focus right now
The question is, can Axl release an album. His hand was forced with UYI and CD, there is no such pressure now, apart from the band members and us.
The pressure is gone, and GN'R is still a relevant enough brand that I don't see alot of resistence from the label, the way there was with CD. The expectations are gone. All debts paid (to my knowledge), and that's that.
I think Axl can release an album... the better question is, does he care? There's no money in albums anymore, and without a hit single, something really catchy like Alice In Chains "Hollow" or Soundgarden's "Live To Rise", Axl is not going to be afforded another concept album-type deal.
And without Axl being allowed to do, and release what he wants, and have label support, why would he care, other than fans? He has his money to live off of. Axl needs to care to do, well... anything. The label on the other hand needs something they can market, and a fucking DJ remix of Better in 2015 is NOT going to do it.
Imo Axl needs to take his CD II, and then go record one brand-new song with DJ and the band, the hit, that's built to be a Motley Crue "Saints of LA" rocker, and push the living shit of it. Let the second single be one of Axl's UYI ballads he does, and call it a day.
That's about as good as it's going to get imo. But does Axl have any motivation to want to do that?
#824 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mr ID and Axlin16 » 613 weeks ago
I don't listen to guitar. I'm a vocalist by random trade, so when I listen to music, I hear vocals & melodies first. Even with instrumentals I hear piano and melody first. Drums second. Effects third. Bass fourth. And usually everything else, including guitar comes after.
We've discussed this before on here. You, as well as Intercourse and some of our Aussie fans, are guitarists and always hear riffs and rhythm first.
Slash could have the second SCOM solo on World of Fire. If Myles is shitting all over it, it doesn't make one fucking iota to me. And i'm not just picking on Myles. This was my issue with the ENTIRE Velvet Revolver catalog. I always felt VR was a talented BAND. But i'm not into Bowie-vocals. Never have been, and the only time I am into them is when they are turned parody. Kind of like when Craig Ferguson will do David Bowie or Lou Reed impressions. They crack me up everytime, because Bowie's vocals (although his MUSIC is great), Bowie's vocals are a joke to me. Ha ha funny funny. Never have I ever been able to take them seriously, with maybe the so exception of Under Pressure. Scott Weiland sings almost identical that, and thus... I could never feel it.
I like Myles more, but when Myles goes high (which he seems to only do now), he sounds awful. Like bang the gong awful. I'll take Mickey Mouse wheeing Axl any day, 'cause at least he gets his pitch right, even when he fucks up. Myles... jeezus H.
Anyways, i'll go back and listen to those specific songs again... and i'll let you know.
#825 Re: Guns N' Roses » sp1at thread » 613 weeks ago
Exactly. There might still really be tons of it left, but so much time has past, plus legalities, lack of interest... a box set might be all that's left, and even that would take tons of legal shit to wade through and who's got what.
#826 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Montreal Riot (GNR/Metallica/FNM '92) » 613 weeks ago
God damn... Matt is such a douche. No matter what universe or alternate dimension or timeline he's in. Past or present. He is SUCH a self-aggrandizing fart sniffing douche. Ugh.
#827 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mr ID and Axlin16 » 613 weeks ago
No, I was trying to spare your feelings. I did listen to World On Fire when it first came out.
I honestly thought it was the worst thing Slash had done since Ain't Life Grand. 
I'm sure there's some great playing on there dude, but I just can't get past those awful AWFUL vocals and forgettable melodies.
I'm sure Slash could be great, if he had the right vocalist again, and the same goes for Axl. They don't need each other, but they need something more than they have that's for goddamn sure.
#828 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron leaving the band after Vegas? » 613 weeks ago
Ron is out. I think that much is obvious, but I think Rob being out was from different perspectives, rather than bickering. Ron was probably told by the hangers on that Axl was mulling retirement going into the final Vegas residency shows, and so Ron, as well as Frank and others made alternate plans, plus Tommy was already thinking or already done reuniting with The Mats.
Suddenly everyone makes other plans, and now Axl talks another album like GN'R ain't dead. AGAIN... this comes back to there being two entirely different cliques in GN'R. Ron was never in, neither was Frank, and from that point there's probably two more cliques within the cliques.
From what i've seen Richard is the one that knows what the band itself is doing. Axl knows what Axl is doing, and it seems only DJ is in on what Axl's doing, because DJ has becomes Axl's 21st century Del James. Axl has a thing for those DJ guys. Next he'll be hanging with Don Johnson or something.
It was Team Brazil's way of rebooting the new Guns, without anyone being fired up-front.
My guess is when Guns shows up live again, and they will eventually, you'll probably see a quite differnet Guns. Something tells me Duff is going to be back in full-time, and more than likely Brain will return to replace his replacement. Guitarist? Who knows... i'm hoping Doug Aldrich gets called. I hope Doug Aldrich gets the job over Slash or Buckethead. Hopefully they'll consider him, especially considering Axl seems to be full-bore now doing the 80's sleaze rock tribute act.
#829 Re: Guns N' Roses » sp1at thread » 613 weeks ago
Interesting thread, but I think it brings even more proof into the theory that there never really was a big vault.
Axl himself said it, there was basically one more album, CD II, and that's probably it. Whatever left overs are still out there will be saved for a Special Edition as "Bucket Chunks" or something like that, a mish-mash of discarded B-Sides mixed with instrumentals, some remixes, and maybe a cover or two.
That's it.
Part of me wonders if Axl can get this out, whether it be a 2-CD or an LP + Incesticide-style EP, if Axl will go ahead and box up the new Guns era, and focus on either reuniting for nostalgia and a big pay day -- THEN retire.
#830 Re: Guns N' Roses » The enigmatic Beavan album ('98-00) » 613 weeks ago
nothing is as bad as Get in the Ring....
Disagree. I've always thought Axl was underrated lyrically, and Kurt Cobain was overrated lyrically. I could easily of seen a Kurt-version of GITR in an alternate universe, especially had he lived and broke up with Courtney, or had his relationship soured with MTV and the music industry which he was increasingly conforming to, as well as government causes.
"I write the vocals last, because I wanted to invent the music first and push the music to the level that I had to compete against it."
This was a mistake....obviously.
"We've been working on, I don't know, 70 songs."
I will NEVER believe this. Don't care how many times it's said. It was statements like this that brought unnecessary hype/expectations that quickly got out of control.
Axl/new GNR were great at selling bridges. It got dicey when it came time to build them.
Would love to see the timeline where the fans never buy into these comments and the media doesn't jump on the hype and then proceed to laugh in his face about it.
I don't think it was a lie, as much as it was an artist, talking to an interviewer/fan about his musical process.
I agree there was never a vault, and it took me time to believe that, but in hind-sight I don't think that was ever the intention. Music artists, as i've seen, have a tendency to refer to songs from licks, riffs, piano diddies, and pushing them to the side to finish later.
Axl, as well as the band, could've very well had several bare bones ideas for some 70+ songs or so. But times change. Styles change. Opinions change. They could've worked up 70 songs, and scratched half of them as "going nowhere" or "not fitting" or "not interested anymore". And moving on.
Now we're down to 35 songs... well hell that's barely three albums, or CD + CD II + EP. I do believe that Axl has that vault. One more album, plus an EP or LP of some scratched completed new songs and remixes of all of the sessions combined. That's very realistic.
Axl said what he said, it got reported, and the fans, 90% of themselves probably just music fans and not music makers/performers, misconstrued the statement and the media/fans ran with it, and Axl & co. rather than talking it down, let it take on a life of it's own.
The sad thing is there is still fans that believe in it. I think Axl has a Soundgarden "Echo of Miles" sitting at home, but it's nothing more than that, and maybe an album of re-recorded GN'R classics with the different members. That's it. There is no mythical vault.
