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#841 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

Trump lawyers asking about presidential pardon powers: report

President Trump's lawyers are looking into the president's authority to grant pardons in connection with the special counsel investigation into Russia's role in the 2016 election, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

Trump himself has talked to advisers about his ability to pardon his aides, family members and himself in the investigations, according to the Post, though one adviser cautioned that the president's inquiries were made in curiosity, rather than in connection to the Russia probes.

“This is not in the context of, ‘I can’t wait to pardon myself,” the adviser said.

Democrats have raised concerns in the past that Trump would pardon anyone who is convicted in the ongoing Russia investigations.

Trump's lawyers have reportedly been discussing presidential pardons among themselves, and are also looking at ways to undercut or limit the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

That includes putting together a list of special counsel Robert Mueller's potential conflicts of interest, which could potentially be cited by an attorney general to do away with Mueller.

Trump has voiced much frustration over the ongoing special counsel investigation into Russian efforts to meddle in the 2016 election, calling it a "witch hunt" and a "cloud" hanging over his presidency.

The Washington Post report comes a week after reports that Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. met in June of 2016 with a Russian lawyer who promised damaging information on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr., the president and other administration members have come under fire following the reports of the meeting, which has added to speculation that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat … le-mueller

#842 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

One thing about middle age is that you begin to (or have already seen) many people you know pass. It's only going to accelerate as we get older too. I recently read "Being Mortal", which was written by a physician who has seen countless people die, many of whom suffered tremendously before doing so. The stories were often grim, and the doctors being human often added to the problem. They wanted to add hope, they wanted to try a little more too, they really didn't want to tell the patient they were out of options. But the hell these poor people went through as a result is nothing I'd care to endure.  Hospice would have been a much more easy option for family, the doctors and the patients.

If I understand correctly this is an aggressive cancer with a poor outcome, even after the horrors of chemotherapy. More than likely he's going to die anyway. I guess my concern would be quality of life. Perhaps I'll get another year, but if my body/mind/spirit are ravaged by the cure, I don't know if that would count as "quality."

But as I said earlier, it's easy for me to sit here and say these things. I'm not 81 with this diagnosis. If that time ever came, I could toss it all  out the window and tell the doctors to throw everything they have at it.

The whole thing sucks really. Time goes by so fast. A blink of the eye really.

#843 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

Part of me felt that if I were that age, I'd pass on the horrors of chemo/radiation, especially since I'd die anyway. But that's easy for me to say sitting here I guess.

#844 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

As I said before. Republicans can't come up with another plan, because the ACA is essentially a Republican plan in the first place. This is how stupid they are. Whatever Obama wanted they were against, even if they were previously for it. Healthcare isn't the only thing they did this with, but it is the most damaging to their party. If Obamacare was simply an extension of Medicare, the GOP would be floating a replacement plan that looks like what we have today (ACA).

#845 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

But the vulnerable repubs in 18 are in Hillary districts.

Trump is such a dumb ass. 16

Awesome negotiator. Only he can fix it!

#846 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago

Trumpcare fail to me, means angrier conservatives who replace reps with even bigger nuts.

#847 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago

The Russia scandal has entered a new phase, and there’s no going back.

For six months, the White House claimed that this scandal was nothing more than innuendo about Trump campaign collusion with Russia in meddling in the 2016 election. Innuendo for which no concrete evidence had been produced.

Yes, there were several meetings with Russian officials, some only belatedly disclosed. But that is circumstantial evidence at best. Meetings tell you nothing unless you know what happened in them. We didn’t. Some of these were casual encounters in large groups, like the famous July 2016 Kislyak-Sessions exchange of pleasantries at the Republican National Convention. Big deal.

I was puzzled. Lots of coverup, but where was the crime? Not even a third-rate burglary. For six months, smoke without fire. Yes, President Trump himself was acting very defensively, as if he were hiding something. But no one ever produced the something.

My view was: Collusion? I just don’t see it. But I’m open to empirical evidence. Show me.

The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there’s a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a “Russian government attorney” possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the Crown Prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a Crown Prosecutor. Russia has a Prosecutor General.)

Donald Jr. emails back. “I love it.” Fatal words.

Once you’ve said “I’m in,” it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were forwarded the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended.

“It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame,” Donald Jr. told Sean Hannity. A shame? On the contrary, a stroke of luck. Had the lawyer real stuff to deliver, Donald Jr. and the others would be in far deeper legal trouble. It turned out to be incompetent collusion, amateur collusion, comically failed collusion. That does not erase the fact that three top Trump campaign officials were ready to play.

It may turn out that they did later collaborate more fruitfully. We don’t know. But even if nothing else is found, the evidence is damning.

It’s rather pathetic to hear Trump apologists protesting that it’s no big deal because we Americans are always intervening in other people’s elections, and they in ours.

This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.

What’s left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face?

Second, no, not everyone does it. It’s one thing to be open to opposition research dug up in Indiana. But not dirt from Russia, a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test.

There is no statute against helping a foreign hostile power meddle in an American election. What Donald Jr. — and Kushner and Manafort — did may not be criminal. But it is not merely stupid. It is also deeply wrong, a fundamental violation of any code of civic honor.

I leave it to the lawyers to adjudicate the legalities of unconsummated collusion. But you don’t need a lawyer to see that the Trump defense — collusion as a desperate Democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election — is now officially dead.

-Charles Krauthammer


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … 948aa102a9

#848 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago

Similar to what I said earlier: For a group of people who are totally innocent, they sure seem to lie an awful lot about this.

"The deception is mind boggling."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5LftyJmNtA

#849 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago

Gee golly...who does this remind you of?

Hannity.jpg

#850 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Interesting that  you chose to attack addicatiom as an illness or disease. You know it can be treated right?

Sounds like you have some research to do.

He's both a lawyer and a doctor. 16

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