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#851 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 398 weeks ago
If he's cleared, there will be new allegations or something else. The only way he gets in is if the Republicans have the resolve to just do it because the Dems have made it clear that they have no issue playing as dirty as they need to to get their desired results. Flake got played by trying to be the nice guy. Look at mitch...he's the prime example. Well, the Reps started it by not confirming our guy, so it's totally okay to destroy someone they don't like because the Reps started it, right?
#852 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Star Wars Thread *NO SPOILERS ALLOWED!* » 398 weeks ago
I wasn't that into solo, but I had a 5 hour flight to Seattle for an Alaskan cruise so I watched it. I thought it was pretty good for what it was. While I was really into Star Wars as a child/teen and I did enjoy the prequels to some extent, the last two movies were sort of just okay. I enjoyed them for the entertainment value, but I just don't feel as attached to the story.
#853 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 398 weeks ago
I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. Is it possible he did it or did something? Absolutely. It's also possible he did nothing. Or something but not what was described. Here are the things I struggle with:
I didn't watch her testimony as I was working, but I saw some of his. I understand that the Republicans are upset about what they feel is a political sham. It might be. It might not be. I didn't catch the beginning, but when I did watch, all of the Republican senators were just attacking the Dems and making no effort to clarify the actual incident while trying to claim the moral high ground because they "investigated" it when they were made aware of it. I don't think anyone gets the moral high ground here. Had they handled themselves better, they probably had a claim to make, but their approach was terrible.
The Democrats weren't much better harping on how NOW they want an investigation when 2 weeks ago they couldn't be bothered to investigate anything. It just makes the accusations of this all being a stall tactic so easy. Hold onto the letter for over a month before the original hearing, then use it when that hearing doesn't go your way. Once it's out, you refuse to participate in an investigation, but now you want to claim the moral high ground because you want an investigation? No.
I'm sure her testimony wasn't handled any better. What bothers me about her story is that she can't really remember anything specific other than he was the one who did it and she's 100% sure of that. That's awfully convenient. She supposedly remembers who was there, but even her friend she was with apparently said she has no recollection of being at a party with him. Everyone was drinking. Nobody can corroborate ANY of her story. Everything is "well they had parties to bang chicks all the time" or whatever...just innuendo. This wouldn't have even made it to a court of law, but because the Dems feel they are entitled to destroy someone because they equate destroying someone to not having a vote on their person, all of this is okay.
I am pro-choice for the most part. I do believe that abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, health of the mother/baby, etc. I do think the fathers should have rights too though in cases of legitimate pregnancies that the mother decides to end for no reason other than wanting to. I don't agree with my body, my decision in cases where the decision was made to have sex with someone and that decision was made willingly with complete consent. THAT was where you made your decision with your body. It sounds like BK is pro-life and might attempt to overturn Roe v Wade. I am not in favor of that, so I am not all for him getting appointed to the court. I think there are equally qualified people I would prefer. So I am completely fine with him getting rejected, but I am not at all happy with the way either side is handling this. This is everything wrong with politics today and further evidence that neither side is at all interested in what is best for the people.
Something may have happened to her. I don't know. None of us do. He may have been involved. I don't know. None of us do. The amount of people making decisions on this case not at all based on the evidence (because there really isn't any at this point) is disgusting. The people that believe her only believe her because it's in their interests to do so whether those interests are political or personal. Right now there isn't a shred of proof/evidence other than her word that he was involved with something that happened to her. That absolutely doesn't make him innocent. I don't know. None of us do. It's sad that otherwise intelligent people on both sides are making emotional decisions on something instead of even trying to make fact-based decisions. If you think he did it, prove it. Or don't even prove it, but have something - anything - that corroborates one person's statement of the events before doing what was done here. And if you think you're part of some political sham, prove it, don't just make accusations. Lay out facts that can't be denied. Make a case instead of yelling and screaming about it. People on either side will stop and listen to a reasonably presented case from either side. But that isn't how the political game is played now, is it?
#854 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 400 weeks ago
I can't believe anyone who voted for a Clinton would want people digging up the past on anyone...I mean there's no way they killed everybody.
We're in a never ending circle of idiocy where both sides are blaming the other for starting it and using that childish approach to justify doing the exact same thing. Frankly I don't give a fuck who started it, but it has to end. Anyone defending either side's actions at this point is part of the problem. That's not straddling the fence mitch (as I know you love to make that accusation because deep down you know it's right); it's kicking the fucking fence down. Anyone supporting either party's actions are now part of the problem.
#855 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
And it was literally a Republican plan.
Like the immigration bill they created and then voted against.
That still doesn't answer the question. We all know the Republicans weren't going to support it no matter what (those obstructionist bastards), so how the fuck did this happen?
#856 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
If you can't acknowledge that the Dems set the ACA up to fail on purpose so that they could get to single-payer, there's no point in having an intellectual conversation about it. You can post all the opinion articles you want. You can post gazillion word long posts and it doesn't change any of that.
I'm not going to go back 8 years and try to remember all of the details and I'm sure the fuck not going to waste my energy doing research and then posting opinion pieces on it. Let's keep it simple. They could have done whatever they wanted. So how did we end up where we are today? Why would they give in on their key legislation unless they knew it was bad or they wanted to make sure it was bad?
#857 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
We already played this game. I laid down facts and you ignored them. Like this:
1. CO-OPs short-changed from the start
Let’s start by considering the ACA’s Consumer Operated and Oriented Plans, or CO-OPs. Early drafts of the ACA called for $10 billion in federal grants for the CO-OP program. But insurance lobbyists and conservative lawmakers insisted on $6 billion in loans instead of $10 billion in grants, restrictions limiting CO-OPs to the individual and small-group market (and not the more stable and profitable large-group market), and limitations stating that the federal loan money could not be used for marketing.The ACA passed in 2010 and the CO-OPs were to be up and running in the fall of 2013, in time for the first open enrollment period. But during 2011 budget negotiations, $2.2 billion was cut from the CO-OP funding. And then during the “fiscal cliff” negotiations at the end of 2012, another $1.4 billion in CO-OP loan funding was eliminated.
So instead of $10 billion in grants, the CO-OPs got $2.4 billion in short-term loans, and a slew of restrictions on their business practices. Some of those restrictions were relaxed in 2016 under new HHS regulations, but it was too little, too late for most CO-OPs.
As of 2017, only five of the original 23 CO-OPs are still operational. (Evergreen Health in Maryland is technically still operational, but it’s in the process of being acquired and converted to a for-profit insurer.)
Just to humor you and point out how idiotic this is, let's just nip this one in the bud. It's really easy.
The Dems had enough control to pass whatever they wanted, so why did they tear their own plan apart? Why did they give in to lobbyists and conservative lawmakers? You think that somehow had they been given another 7.6 billion dollars to piss away (which they would have) everything would have been great?
See, these opinion articles aren't actually facts at all. Sure, they contain facts, but they conveniently ignore other facts to try to convince weak minded people that they have everything figured out. The excuses start flying (they gave into lobbyists and conservative lawmakers)...okay, but why? They didn't have to. So why? That seems to be conveniently left out of the article.
#858 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
misterID wrote:buzzsaw wrote:More convincing than the 10,000 word pile of bullshit you posted, I'll give you that.
2 facts that are simple and no opinion post you can make will ever refute: The Dems forced a plan through that Republicans had major issues with and the Republicans did something about it. The rest of whatever you want to throw out there is just opinionated garbage.
We all know that post was too in-depth for you to read all the way through. Matter of fact, you probably only got to "we" of this post before it became too intellectually taxing for you. Take a breather.
They were never going to be for it. They were milking the clock hoping that it’d never come to fruition.
You’ll never be forgiven for that...I’ll either never vote again or vote anti republican whom ever that may be.
And even still the self proclaimed healthcare expert hasn’t offered a single fact of n the topic.
Dumbfuck, you quoted two facts that I posted which neither of you geniuses even attempted to refute. Why? Because you can't. All the rest of your garbage about what people think might have happened or could have happened doesn't matter. I posted what happened and the rest of it is just hopes and prayers that aren't in any way based in fact.
#859 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:Yeah...no
More convincing than the 10,000 word pile of bullshit you posted, I'll give you that.
2 facts that are simple and no opinion post you can make will ever refute: The Dems forced a plan through that Republicans had major issues with and the Republicans did something about it. The rest of whatever you want to throw out there is just opinionated garbage.
We all know that post was too in-depth for you to read all the way through. Matter of fact, you probably only got to "we" of this post before it became too intellectually taxing for you. Take a breather.
It was too full of biased shit to read through. When the first point is wrong, the rest of it doesn't matter. Insulting the intelligence of someone with much more intelligence than you is an interesting play. Well done.
#860 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 409 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:Facts. You really hate them. You crumble every time.
No son. I answered your page with a much simpler fact that you're choosing to ignore. That's fine, but you sound really stupid telling me I do what you do. The Dems forced a bad plan through. The Republicans tore it apart. Facts. Get the fuck over your page of "facts" that aren't really facts, but actually a point of view.
Yeah...no
More convincing than the 10,000 word pile of bullshit you posted, I'll give you that.
2 facts that are simple and no opinion post you can make will ever refute: The Dems forced a plan through that Republicans had major issues with and the Republicans did something about it. The rest of whatever you want to throw out there is just opinionated garbage.


