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#871 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:To me it’s awfully hard to see the difference between a president who wants to silence his opposition and actually has the authority to do so...
I won’t sit here and be lectured about the constitution by the same people who turn a blind eye to our president and his antics.
So just to be clear you had no issue with Obama thumbing his nose at the Constitution, but because the clown show follows this President, his antics are more important than him enforcing the Constitution? Is that really your position on this?
I have not once....not even once....heard you criticize the obstructionist congress he had to deal with...
but I always hear you bring this point up...
it usually leads to an abrupt end to the original topic...
Yeah, when you try to stuff an awful healthcare plan down our throats all obstruction is more than welcome. Why would I criticize that? As soon as you can tell me something that was actually good for the country that was obstructed, I'll concede you might have a point. The ONLY thing I recall was the vote that should have happened on the supreme court nominee. The supreme court has turned into a joke anyway...that's the one thing that shouldn't be political, but it might be the most political and most important part of the gov't. So if that's what they have to do to prevent more BS like healthcare being labeled a tax when it wasn't just so it can pass, I'm okay with that too.
Here's a fact people like you that don't care about the Constitution don't understand: nothing the Republicans did was illegal. Nothing. The ability to "obstruct" as you call it is there for a reason...to protect either party from doing things that aren't in the country's best interests. You haven't heard me complaining about the Democrats doing it either, have you? Nope.
So instead of deflecting, address what I said.
#872 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
I took a 4 hour tour of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island on Sunday. It was fantastic and I learned a lot. When you came to the US you went through a 6 to 8 hour process in this big open hall. If you were an adult that was sick, they either sent you back or quarantined you for a while in what many considered the best hospital of its day (also on the island). Children were separated from their parents and placed in the nursery on the second floor. If the were sick they too went to the hospital. After all the questions on the paper work and after their 30 second health exam (part of exam was then watching you walk up the he steps, they asked questions.
#1 what is your name
And then question like where are you going (making sure they had someone to vouch for them. Somewhere to go)
Do you have a job
EtcWe were very organized then. Not like today.
My wife and I did that same tour last year. Same observations for us. I imagine the volume then was nothing like the volume today, but who knows. Also it was a different era and we were a nation of following laws much more than we are now. It was just accepted that this is the process and the process should be followed. Now if you don't like something, you just ignore it and do whatever you want. Never mind following the legal process for changing things...we no longer respect our country.
#873 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
To me it’s awfully hard to see the difference between a president who wants to silence his opposition and actually has the authority to do so...
I won’t sit here and be lectured about the constitution by the same people who turn a blind eye to our president and his antics.
So just to be clear you had no issue with Obama thumbing his nose at the Constitution, but because the clown show follows this President, his antics are more important than him enforcing the Constitution? Is that really your position on this?
#874 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:You guys are just cheerleaders for the Right aren't you?
How's that?
Trumps trade strategy has been a disaster
In mitch's world you either 100% hate everything Trump or you're a cheerleader for the right. There is nothing in between. Sort of follows that post you made about the shift...
#875 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
I love Obama, still do, but he did not go for the jugular on his most populist instincts. He coasted too much and gave up too easily. I will forever believe he wanted to lose to Romney, he hated being president.
I don't mind most of what he did. I didn't like the executive orders that he made when he couldn't get something done the right way and I obviously didn't like the healthcare plan the way it was passed and written. I really didn't mind Bill Clinton either. For whatever reason (maybe it's because the political game doesn't matter any more), I've always liked Presidents on both sides more after they were in office than while they were in office. They seem to see things more clearly when they aren't pandering to anyone.
#876 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Right. What a lot of people don't realize is that the Democrats are wealthy too. While pretending to care about the poor, they laugh all the way to the bank. They take money from lobbyists. They obstruct. All the things people get mad at Republicans for doing they do too. It's just ridiculous. Nothing is going to change until the crazies on both ends of the extremes get drowned out by the vast majority of us in the middle.
At the top, both parties are flush with all sorts of cash. There is a movement, at least among some new Democrats, to shun PACs and big donors and dark money. Some have been successful. We’ll see how long it lasts.
I’d like to see superdelegates done away with. Hillary (amongst other shady things) won because people within the party power structure think they know better than the voting base.
I don’t know if Bernie would’ve won...but based on polls that i saw he wouldn’t have lost every single swing state. Plus...he had the enthusiasm of his base that hillary never had.
I’m really having a hard time with all this ‘come back to the center where the majority of us are” thing.
If that’s really where the majority of us are then we wouldn’t be having these problems. You think obama divided us? Take a look a trump....you have a president you who actively admonishes nearly half the country every week.
How are we expected to support him and get along with his most ardent supporters?
You STILL don't understand why Trump won. Amazing. He won BECAUSE of the bullshit that's been going on mitch. The wonderful world you seem to think the Obama era was wasn't for a LOT of people, and when someone came along to give them a voice, they took it. Then you add the anti-Hillary contingent (plus Hillary as the horrible Democratic nominee) and you suddenly have enough to win. Same reason Obama got elected. His voter base has always been there. There aren't as many of them as you seem to think, but they've always been there. If the Democrats can get someone with a pulse and not at all linked to Clinton (or Bernie for that matter), they'll win again in 2020 or 2024. That's the way it's gone because as I recently said, too much of either side is bad for the country. Every election is a reaction. No forward thinking at all. Shit sucks, so lets vote the other party in. Eight years later, shit sucks, let's vote the other party in. Meet the new boss; same as the old boss. Nobody understands the need for balance because their heads are so buried up their ass that they refuse to see the other side my have a point...
#877 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:FOr the record, you were told exactly what people were going to do before they did it, but you gleefully ignored it because it didn't fit your agenda. Several people in fact told you that people were only going to buy it if they needed it. No, you insisted this was so great for everyone that there would be full participation. Wrong. No full participation from doctors, no full participation from the healthy...only full participation from the needy sticking it to everyone else. SO fuck you you little cunt with you're buzz is only worried about buzz...the asshats that you support are only worried about themselves and fucking mooched off the system just long enough to piss away more of our money.
Go fucking cry to someone that cares what you think snowflake. You're so out of the loop now that you can't even rally anyone to your side.
How am i the snowflake? You seem pretty sensitive yourself in your most recent posts.
You’re Big suggestion has everything to do with money....they don’t seem terribly insightful....make everything cheap but make it all high quality right?
Whatever man...you come as unhinged as anyone so don’t go looking down on me or anyone for that matter.
I get pretty offended when you tell me I am a racist, so fuck yeah I am going to rip you apart.
If you want to pick apart something specific I said mitch, go for it. Your broad (and as usual incorrect) generalizations aren't worth of a response other than acknowledging that once again you can't actually refute a specific point made by someone (as you once again skipped the chance to engage on healthcare). I didn't say anything about making stuff cheap nor did I say anything about making it high quality. For fucks sake attack something I ACTUALLY SAID or shut the fuck up.
#878 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Anytime one side is making all of the decisions, it's bad for the people. It doesn't matter which side it is.
You’re right. That describes right now. It’s bad.
And the “one side” doesn’t just mean GOP. It’s also the wealthy class. Wealthy vs. poor is what we’ve come down to.
Right. What a lot of people don't realize is that the Democrats are wealthy too. While pretending to care about the poor, they laugh all the way to the bank. They take money from lobbyists. They obstruct. All the things people get mad at Republicans for doing they do too. It's just ridiculous. Nothing is going to change until the crazies on both ends of the extremes get drowned out by the vast majority of us in the middle.
#879 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
It was a better response than his standard "fuck trump" with a dash of racial accusations and "dick heat" interjection. It's a move in the right direction.
I'll give you that, but still not response worthy. There were so many things wrong with the healthcare program from a financial point of view. It wasn't sustainable or even designed to be sustainable. It was designed to try to force a single payer situation.
There were some great parts of the law...coverage for dependents for example. Many of those have been adopted by some of the insurance companies regardless of whether they will be required to. It's not like the whole thing was a pile of shit like some claimed, but the flaws were so big that they outweighed some of the gains. Anytime one side is making all of the decisions, it's bad for the people. It doesn't matter which side it is. Together they could probably come up with some compromises that could work, but nobody wants to show any "weakness" by admitting the other side might have a point. We're all screwed until that changes.
#880 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 411 weeks ago
Ripped off? Did you pay for any of this?
