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#881 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:FOr the record, you were told exactly what people were going to do before they did it, but you gleefully ignored it because it didn't fit your agenda. Several people in fact told you that people were only going to buy it if they needed it. No, you insisted this was so great for everyone that there would be full participation. Wrong. No full participation from doctors, no full participation from the healthy...only full participation from the needy sticking it to everyone else. SO fuck you you little cunt with you're buzz is only worried about buzz...the asshats that you support are only worried about themselves and fucking mooched off the system just long enough to piss away more of our money.
Go fucking cry to someone that cares what you think snowflake. You're so out of the loop now that you can't even rally anyone to your side.
We should kick all sick people who used insurance off it so buzz’s premiums can go down.
You go from a well argued response to this shit. C'Mon Mitch.
It wasn't well argued at all, it was more Mitch ignoring what he doesn't want to acknowledge and cherry picking a couple things where he's not completely wrong. It's like trying to discuss issues with a two year old...he only hears what he wants to here and ignores the rest. Once he's backed into a corner, you're a racist. Fuck him.
#882 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
This shooter thing seems nuts. Like, calculated by a person trained in military close quarter tactics.
Removing his fingerprint?!? This guy wants the spotlight. He’s got a message. Is he the first Trumpkin or Bernie Bro to snap?
The kind of person doing this is an extremist. So it’s going to be someone using this tragedy as a way to get attention, and I think social media will gobble it up. If it’s partisan, Fox or MSNBC are going to be off the rails.
Edit: looks like a crazy, neck-beard type who was upset for being called a creep after confronting some woman at her employer. It may have originated from twitter comments.
His use of smoke grenades and flash bangs made me think he was former military, but that seems unlikely.
I'm sure mitchy will be along to tell you how better gun control could have prevented this...ell, when he's done sitting in the fetal position sucking his thumb in his safe zone.
#883 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
FOr the record, you were told exactly what people were going to do before they did it, but you gleefully ignored it because it didn't fit your agenda. Several people in fact told you that people were only going to buy it if they needed it. No, you insisted this was so great for everyone that there would be full participation. Wrong. No full participation from doctors, no full participation from the healthy...only full participation from the needy sticking it to everyone else. SO fuck you you little cunt with you're buzz is only worried about buzz...the asshats that you support are only worried about themselves and fucking mooched off the system just long enough to piss away more of our money.
Go fucking cry to someone that cares what you think snowflake. You're so out of the loop now that you can't even rally anyone to your side.
#884 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Ok so you’re going to say that the doctors don’t get to choose whether they participate in an HMO or PPO network? You’re going to say that people in their 20s didn’t choose not to have health insurance in favor of a meaningless $95 tax penalty?
Or was all that just to get to the point where you say....”you’re looney tunes.”
Ok maybe you’re not racist by 1949 standards....but you have to admit Buzz...you’re the quintessential Archie bunker vote....
Thing is...you and your ilk are still in charge. So do what you did for the part 8 years and just change the rules so you can do what you want. You’ve made a science and art of it.
I don't think I said any of what I bolded. Why are you creating strawman arguments? The math didn't work and the dems knew it wouldn't when they passed it. Ask them why, not me.
I'm not racist by ANY standards. I have friends from just about every imaginable culture including Muslims. When I worked in the factory, I had more Mexican friends than white ones. My issue isn't with any race/religion/gender/sexual orientation. Money is the common thread to pretty much every stance I have taken (unless it's a legal stance), but people like you try like hell to turn it into a race thing because you'll never be able to overcome the financial issue.
You're not intelligent enough to engage in legitimate debate; or you are but you know there's no way you can win, so we get bullshit posts like the one above. Fuck you mitch. You earned that.
And you earned it right back man...
Fuck you buzz...
Now tell me more about how the numbers didn’t add up while pointing to abso fucking lutely fucking nothing.
You’re proving your ignorance when you can’t volley back above medical providers opting out of HMOs or doctors who chose not to participate with Cigna anymore because their rates were shit.
You’ll gloss over me saying one of the biggest complaints about Obamacare was people losing their doctors because the doctors left their medical groups (just as it always has happened even before Obama). And then you’ll call it a straw man’s argument.
You’ll turn a blind eye to the fact that people in their 20s didn’t buy health insurance which was required to make it all work...because a 95 dollar fine was no where near enough of a deterrent.
What about the sucktards who bought 3 months worth of health insurance to get their $10k heart surgery only to bail and leave the rest for us to figure out.
You’ll tout your knowledge of healthcare while not acknowledging even the basics. Do you even know what a CPT code is?
All this is about is buzz wants more...more for him and less for everyone else. As long as buzz has what he wants and needs...fuck everyone else.
You could boil down your whole line of thinking to that.
So for that....for all of that....i return the fuck you with glee.
Your such a fucking ignorant twat. At least twice I tried to engage people in a discussion about healthcare only to hear crickets. Once in one of these stupid political threads and once in its own thread. Nothing. SO if you think I am going to waste my time with you cherry-picking a couple things, you're sadly mistaken. You are so far over the cliff that nothing can save you now, nor does anyone here even want to bother trying.
#885 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Dude, I work in healthcare. Nobody "tried" to make it fail; it was doomed from the beginning. The math didn't work.
Very few people want to screw other people over...that's the thing you seem to keep glossing over. Most people are for helping immigrants, they just want the laws to be followed. Most people are for helping the people that need financial help, but not those making a lifestyle out of it. We want people to accept some responsibility for helping themselves. We want people to use the help to raise themselves instead of using it to avoid working. We want people to immigrate following the laws. We want people to change the laws they don't like through the system in place to change laws. We want the laws in place to be enforced, not ignored because some bleeding hearts feel bad for someone. We want the math to work instead of forcing bad legislation with no financial logic to it anywhere.
In your world, that makes us ultra right-wing. In the real world, it makes us moderates. I don't think any of us care who sleeps with who. I don't care who marries. Do whatever makes you happy in life as long as it isn't hurting other people. Immigrants are welcomed by me providing they follow the legal avenues that are provided. We wouldn't need a wall if the laws were being followed, but they aren't. People are sick of it. That's not racist in most cases (though some of them certainly are). The only people you think are in the middle are the moderate democrats, everyone else is a racist bigot that is too right leaning. That's a you issue dude, not an us issue. You're freaking looney tunes, but unfortunately the first amendment allows you to be that.
Ok so you’re going to say that the doctors don’t get to choose whether they participate in an HMO or PPO network? You’re going to say that people in their 20s didn’t choose not to have health insurance in favor of a meaningless $95 tax penalty?
Or was all that just to get to the point where you say....”you’re looney tunes.”
Ok maybe you’re not racist by 1949 standards....but you have to admit Buzz...you’re the quintessential Archie bunker vote....
Thing is...you and your ilk are still in charge. So do what you did for the part 8 years and just change the rules so you can do what you want. You’ve made a science and art of it.
I don't think I said any of what I bolded. Why are you creating strawman arguments? The math didn't work and the dems knew it wouldn't when they passed it. Ask them why, not me.
I'm not racist by ANY standards. I have friends from just about every imaginable culture including Muslims. When I worked in the factory, I had more Mexican friends than white ones. My issue isn't with any race/religion/gender/sexual orientation. Money is the common thread to pretty much every stance I have taken (unless it's a legal stance), but people like you try like hell to turn it into a race thing because you'll never be able to overcome the financial issue.
You're not intelligent enough to engage in legitimate debate; or you are but you know there's no way you can win, so we get bullshit posts like the one above. Fuck you mitch. You earned that.
#886 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
Dude, I work in healthcare. Nobody "tried" to make it fail; it was doomed from the beginning. The math didn't work.
Very few people want to screw other people over...that's the thing you seem to keep glossing over. Most people are for helping immigrants, they just want the laws to be followed. Most people are for helping the people that need financial help, but not those making a lifestyle out of it. We want people to accept some responsibility for helping themselves. We want people to use the help to raise themselves instead of using it to avoid working. We want people to immigrate following the laws. We want people to change the laws they don't like through the system in place to change laws. We want the laws in place to be enforced, not ignored because some bleeding hearts feel bad for someone. We want the math to work instead of forcing bad legislation with no financial logic to it anywhere.
In your world, that makes us ultra right-wing. In the real world, it makes us moderates. I don't think any of us care who sleeps with who. I don't care who marries. Do whatever makes you happy in life as long as it isn't hurting other people. Immigrants are welcomed by me providing they follow the legal avenues that are provided. We wouldn't need a wall if the laws were being followed, but they aren't. People are sick of it. That's not racist in most cases (though some of them certainly are). The only people you think are in the middle are the moderate democrats, everyone else is a racist bigot that is too right leaning. That's a you issue dude, not an us issue. You're freaking looney tunes, but unfortunately the first amendment allows you to be that.
#887 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:What about reap what you sow?
You damn well that as many as 3 justices could be replaced in the next 3 years. Will you still be harping about the court being too left leaning? The only left leaning judge left will be sotomeyer.
You want consistentency? Then why were you alright with you obstructing in 2010 but not now?
I wasn't ok with it. Did I support voting against the ACA, yes because I knew it was a bad bill, as we all do now. I also didn't like the government forcing private citizens to purchase a private product under penalty of law. Did I support the GOP shutting down the government 3 or 4 times? Nope. That's the key difference. You love to howl about how Republicans fucked Obama over, but openly celebrate any perception of Democrats doing that to Trump.
You act like a jaded lover. But worse, you advocate the behavior of a jaded lover. I don't.
Again....you turn a blind eye to so much and care about so little....
If you’ve been consistent about anything it’s that...
You’re asking me and people like me to enjoy getting fucked over and abused by the current dotard in chief.
On top of everything...every single thing this administration is attempting to accomplish is for the birds....feel good conservative bullshit that I’m still waiting to see emperical evidence proving anything ....not just some Fox News pundit saying it’s better.
So long as you feel that immigration is worth billions of dollars and education and healthcare are not...we have no common ground.
Also...conservatives will not be forgiven for raising Trump to power.
If you continue to ask me and others like me to turn the other cheek while you support the presidents behavior...you’ll be sorely disappointed. Ridiculous
We're asking for consistency. You can change conservative to liberal in your above statement and it's equally true. You are so deep in the kool-aid that everything you say is just hot air and bullshit. You have so much hate in you that you won't even consider that others might have a point. All you do is hate, hate, hate. Hate those that disagree with you. Hate those that question you (because you never have answers, only more hate). Hate anyone that doesn't have the same irrational hatred that you have.
For 8 years Obama did things that were bad for this country and you celebrated. Boo fucking hoo for you that some semblance of following the constitution has returned. Don't like the law? Change it. That is the way to change things, not talking change while embracing hate. For talking so much about love, there's an unhealthy amount of hate coming from liberals.
#888 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:This way is being done to try to force the dems to the table on border security. As I've said for years, it's just a game and we're the pawns. In this case it's just more obvious than usual.
At least we’re making America great again...
I didn't vote for him, so no need to respond to me with this. America wouldn't be great with Clinton either, so don't pretend that this is a Trump issue. It's a political issue.
#889 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago
This way is being done to try to force the dems to the table on border security. As I've said for years, it's just a game and we're the pawns. In this case it's just more obvious than usual.
#890 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago
Yes, because there's no other reason someone could oppose this unless they are (insert whatever insult here). Politics are such a joke.
