For anyone here that doesn't visit MyGNR, this video (imo) is what all of this stems from. MSL ran with some rumors that Beta was fired, via sources from phone calls and e-mails he read.

From that, correlated with the above video, of which we've rarely seen this side of Axl and the relationship with TB, gave even more fuel to that fire.

Or so i'm told.

Personally I think everyone has taken the video the wrong way. Everyone is so incredibly focused on what Beta's saying and what she's doing that they don't focus on what Axl is saying and doing.

Again this is an opinion, but I in fact don't think what Axl's doing is being nice (kind of a counter to that whole Axlite thing). Most of the people, if not all over at MyGNR really put Axl over here as a great guy for stopping with fans and posing for pictures, autographs n' such, and there are other videos on the internet.

It's the way in Axl's voice and mannerisms that really just come across as... passive aggressive towards Beta. It comes across as the two of them weren't getting along that day or had a disagreement over scheduling, but when Axl says what he says it's very, "no we have to do this", almost like towards Beta--no you wanted me to do this, no we need to fuckin' do this, so let's do this. Axl doesn't actually want to do it, but is basically being a horse's ass for the sake of it. He never takes it out on the women in the video, but that's just how it comes across to me. Axl doesn't want to do it anymore than Beta wants him to do it, and yet he does for different reasons as they are obviously feuding that day.

That's one opinion.

But then again it could just as easily be something else. Axl could want to take pictures with fans, and Beta is trying to keep a schedule (her job).

Or Axl, like he's known for, could have absolutely no sense of time, and could care less. And he relies on Beta to somehow "manage it" to figure it out.

Either way, they sound like an old married couple. We've all been there where there is a husband and wife, or son and mother, and there's that under-current to the conversation and you know, as does everyone in the room, that as soon as we're gone.... they are going to get into a HUGE fight.

I don't see it as "Axl fired Beta". I see it as two associates, family members that were having a bad day and arguing (and when you know someone for 20+ years, that happens, especially when you see them day in and day out).

Axl could've easily been a smartass or mean and said "YOU'RE FIRED" and took it back numerous times over the years.

BUT.... if there are e-mails where there was contractual moves to make it happen.... now we're talkin'. That's when shit starts to get real... quick.

I used to believe that too, but after the output of the band in the last few years, or at least since 2008 (the birth of this lineup/version)... Team Brazil (although they technically didn't take over until a couple years later) have done more since 2008 (or 2010), than anytime with Axl from 1994-2007.

We've gotten multiple worldwide tours, new band merch, a constantly touring/active GN'R, an all original LP (Chinese), a Live DVD, a Digital Double-Live album of that said DVD (the equivalent of two Live digital-LP's), multiple PPV's in 2011-12...

I'm not saying they deserve all the credit. And they still have a long way to go. But it does seem that Axl all of the sudden was way more willing to play ball when they took over. Whatever means more music... i'm for!

So yes, I don't believe it's a healthy relationship, and I do wonder what Axl would be like with a REAL manager--that ACTUALLY is supportive of his current GN'R. But it seems like everytime he gets a real manager, he either A) refuses to play nice, or B) the manager refuses to play nice, trying to force the big payday-reunion.

Believe me, i've been as critical of Team Brazil as anyone on here. Their public relations skills are horrible, especially online/social media. But at the same time, Axl Rose IS NOT Brian Wilson. Axl Rose, at no time was ever so far off as to be 300-pound Howard Hughes/Homeless-version Brian Wilson that had to be practically nursed back to health by his scam artist therapist/brainwasher. Axl was far more "there" than Brian. This can be attested to his studio time in the mid-90's, as well as his reboot version of Guns by 1998. Axl stayed active, and mentally capable, for the most part.

So some of this weight we burden on Team Brazil... might just be good 'ol Axl being Axl, like Manny being Manny. I'm sure Axl can be a diva to work for. What rock star isn't? He's a friggin' rock star. A Hall of Famer (even if he denies it). I'm sure the guy can have a massive ego.

Plus we must remember that Team Brazil, if they are everything they are accused of, being money-grubbing... if they are, they want to make money. Even if they want to block Axl from a full GN'R reunion, they still like money and making it. It would be in TB's best interest to push Axl to pursue touring and recording and being active. After all, it guarantees them job security, as well as fatter paychecks. Maybe not THE fat paycheck, that would require lawyers and all kinds of heavy bullshit that would push them out. But a big enough paycheck that it gives them their little world to get the dough coming in as long as Axl is willing.

Which leads you back to Axl. All signs point to it being -- Axl. Axl can't be head strong... and a mommy-whipped pansy at the same time. I think Axl Rose does what Axl Rose wants to do when Axl Rose wants to fucking do it. Team Brazil is just there for the ride.

jmho

Again, a completely fraudulent and untrue statement.

The only person re-writing my history here is you. I can certainly say I did NOT miss this shit. The fact is you can't say ANYTHING pro-Axl in this argument without being labeled as sucking Axl's dick, and "man love" and so on and so on.

"Nobody fucking cares that you side with Axl"

Apparently they do, because if I do or anyone else does in the slightest, they suddenly want to take it up the ass from him, and can't possibly have objectivity. That's not my words, you guys set those parameters...

And i'm the 17-year old...

Gay Gay Gay, everything is gay.

I'm actually coming out. You're the first to know.

I honestly think Axl's reluctance to take blame for anything is the fact I think Axl never felt he had his story truly heard. Now whether that's TPTB's fault, or it's "hey Axl, you could've released a book already dude" and it's his fault, either way... I think that's Axl's reasoning behind constantly having to defend himself, and never giving an inch. Because think about it? Nobody EVER has anything positive to say towards him. Revolver Golden Gods might've been the first pro-Axl thing i've seen since 1992.

Even when Kurt Loder & John Norris were doing interviews with him putting him over, the negative reaction to anything Axl related being "fuck Axl, fuck Axl so fucking hard, fuck Asshole Rose!!!" showed ten tons of absolute hatred directed towards the man. They try to blame it on riots and late shows, but come on, we all know the real reason.... Axl is blamed as the guy who broke up the band period.

Doesn't matter what side of the fence anyone is on -- Axl is blamed SOLELY as the leading cause of the destruction of the band.

I look around more so than ever today and just do not get the Mel Gibson-level hatred Axl gets. Mel too. It's like... get over it already. If you hate it that bad, walk away. There's alot of great bands out there.