Oh and another thing regarding the Izzy quotes and how 'legit' Intercourse is because he's quoting interviews... I may have not quoted any actual quotes, but all of my feelings and statements are derived from FAR FAR FAR more recent statements by the band, including Izzy himself, as well as Axl, Slash & Duff.

Now in fairness, I can understand quoting Izzy (at the time) may make sense because it was all fresh. But it is in fact the incorrect way to view history. History is NEVER written immediately as it happens.

You read that interview with Izzy & Axl and I read that interview with Izzy & Axl, and got two entirely different reactions to it. What I saw was Izzy not feeling his opinion was valued. And the band. Not Axl--THE BAND disagreed. And what did Izzy do? He quit.

Then to Axl, "Izzy wanted the power and financial rewards of MY vision". I see that as a totally true statement from Axl. Axl even says it right in the interview YOU quoted. Izzy wanted to play clubs and keep GN'R a LA version of the New York Dolls. Izzy never wanted Rolling Stones-level success. Hell watch Axl & Izzy perform Salt of the Earth with the Stones in 1989. Axl is having a BALL performing with Mick. You can see it as a dream realized. Izzy looks stiff, uncomfortable, and out of his element. Whether it was being awe struck, or what I said. Izzy was never destined to be a super star, no different than Buckethead isn't. They just don't play the game the right way.

Axl knew this. Slash knew this. Duff knew this.

But you are not giving ANY bullshit to Slash & Duff, and neither are your fans in this thread. It's all "fuck Axl". Well that's fine, fuck Axl. But let's fuck Slash & fuck Duff too. The three of them ALL wanted super-stardom. And when Axl said "me & Slash are a team" Axl was referring solely to Izzy's lack of interest in wanting to be anymore than a small act. Izzy didn't want to take it to the next level. Izzy didn't want to follow a schedule (yeah I know, ironic considering Axl). Izzy was fine being a minor-leaguer, and Axl, Slash & Duff all wanted to be World Champion New York Yankees. They wanted to be at the Show in a major league way. A legendary way, and they were all in agreement (or so they thought). Izzy didn't want that, and Izzy (according to your quotes) made it clear he didn't want that.

It almost makes you wonder if Izzy quit because he thought Axl & Slash would force him out no different than Steven.

My proof? Has Slash toured with Izzy?

Point proven

Izzy might be one of the most unreliable GN'R members in the history of the band, more than Axl, more than Bucket. And this is the guy with the truth? I would take it with more of a grain of salt than Axl or Slash.

The only people with a God fetish around here are you and your buddies, with your obvious fixation on Slash.

We have a TON of Slashites on this board. But I for one have NEVER seen an Axlite on Evo in its entire existence. All I see is people slagging on how much Axl's voice sucks today, Axl sucks, Axl broke up the band, Axl created the AIDS virus. Fuck him.

If that's an Axl fanboy... i'd hate to meet the guys who actually hate him.

So is this thing going to be released on a DVD+CD format or not? RockFuel announced, then all of the sudden it's supposed to be a Digital-only release, but only through Fantracks.

Does anybody know anything?

Oh goddammit Intercourse, you are so fucking reaching on those statements. You're concluding Axl's statements regarding Slash BEFORE the breakup as definitive proof of his opinion and to quote George Bush "flip flopper" status, yet me, you, and every fucking fence post in the world know you cannot compare the two.

That's like the argument of the girl who cheated on her husband citing, "but you said you loved me at the alter", after she spend her Friday's in interracial gangbangs with the local football team. Yeah but but but.... you said you'd love me "as long as we both shall live". That's what you said....

That's the logic you're using right now. Every statement I used came out of Slash's own mouth--post in the break up. From whatever interview he's doing today to his own auto-bio (which most consider their definitive statement on well... everything).

Young Axl said that GN'R would never turn into what old Axl turned it into--yeah and old Axl never thought his friend (Izzy) would tuck and run when the heat got turned up. Old Axl probably never envisioned St. Louis ever happening, and yet it did. Old Axl never thought that when the going got tough that Slash would've just up and quit the band. Do you know what that fucking means? Do you have any clue? A band literally is a marriage. That's like a wife, out of the blue, coming and asking for a divorce, and citing NO reason, other than the fact you didn't like her Christmas gifts (pretty much the equivalent of Slash's logic of quitting at the time). And when pressed for a response--oh yeah, you're a dictator. Dictator of what? I'm not gonna talk about it, because I need my cool moment, like i'm making some fucking statement. And here we are.... if Axl's guilty, then Slash is equally if not more so guilty because as soon as they weren't working (or fucking in my analogy)--he bolted. Slash has NEVER owned up to his guilt in this--EVER. Slash has never owned up to the statement he made not just qutting on Axl, but also leaving his main man Duff behind. It was not a universal decision. Slash bailed on Duff too.

The only thing i've seen from you is "the power rewards of my vision". That's your smoking gun? And i'm the one in fucking dream world? Okay Fred Krueger...

Watched the videos, and they are way better than I would've ever expected an officially released new Guns Blu-Ray/DVD to sound.

Jungle is just as good as its ever been, and shows Axl can still be Axl.

You Could Be Mine shows the more modern-era Axl, but I mean that in a factual sense. Obviously it's not as strong as it was in the heyday, and it's missing Duff's prescence. but YCBM has been a vocal-bitch for Axl since reviving the band in 2001. He has sucked on it, more often than rules, excluding flashes here and there in 2006-07, 2009-10. But tbh, in Axl's condition today... this might be one of the strongest YCBM's since the old days, even if the Mickey is there.

Sweet Child... I want to love it, but I just can't. I haven't cared for any interpretation of this song since the old band. Slash only does it justice instrumentally, and Axl vocally has sucked on it since post-1993. I really can't stand Myles Kennedy's voice, but this is the one and only song I will give Slash & The Conspirators as having the superior live version.

I can't wait to get this set and listen to more! Really cool to finally have SOME-THING official from the band released. In 20 years it's basically been Live Era, Hits, Chinese and this! Hopefully the future in the next couple years brings much more!