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#971 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
lol.
Not sure how to interpret this
I wouldn't worry about it. My comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek; I assume his was as well.
#972 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
If you claimed to me that there will always be poor i don’t recall it...at least i don’t recall it being explicit.
I guess that I (perhaps unfairly) always thought that at best you were fanning concern for the poor and disadvantaged.
If things are as monkey described...and i believe that they are...then any talk of concern for taking care of our own is a farce. I don’t buy it.
My interpretation of your stance has always been ‘i hope people get the help that they need but not if it ever comes at my personal expense.”
Correct me if I’m wrong on that.
You're wrong. I've constantly said no issues helping those that genuinely need the help. I've also said raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything to help the poor, it just makes more of them. I'm pretty consistent with my thoughts on these things. My disdain is for those that choose to be poor because they are lazy.
#973 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:I have no issues with that Trump said, though he (like me) could use some work on the delivery. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Doesn't mean he's right all the time, but he says what a lot of people think (or say without 50 microphones in their face). I don't need the message sugarcoated. Just say it. All this worrying about hurting people's feelings is ridiculous. It's okay to have hurt feelings. It's okay to be insulted. This pussification of America is doing way more damage than it is doing good.
Why is bullying so effective? Because we don't teach kids how to handle adversity, so the second something happens, they crumble and have no idea how to recover. We don't teach them that there are winners and losers in life, so when they become the loser when life doesn't hand them a trophy for existing, they don't know how to handle it.
Millennials are actually onto some smart ideas. Flexible work arrangements is one I love. I saw a video on FB where they were making fun of the Millennial for not wanting to do 8 AM. Guess what? I don't want to do 8 AM either...I get it. But there are going to be times when 8 AM is necessary and they don't seem to grasp that side of it (as a whole, I am sure some do). Earn the credibility; then you can pitch not being there at 8 AM every day, but that's not how most of them think it works. Demand upfront. Get promoted every 6 months. Quit and go to a new job if they don't promote you in 6 months because they expect you to accomplish something worthy of promotion.
Good post, but when it comes to bullying, we do need to protect the weak. When a 5th grader picks on say a 3rd grader, that 5th grader needs beat down so he knows that crap isn’t acceptable. Like some gentle rubbing and shit talking is one thing. But there are kids that die and shit from bullying. Sometimes the bully needs his ass beat and I love seeing that happen. A bully is one of the shittiest people you can imagine. They prey on the weak. Nothing cool or noble about it.
The weak empower the bully. People kill themselves because they can't handle the adversity. If kids could handle adversity on any level, a lot of bullying goes away. Bullying stops when there's no positive reinforcement for the bully. They move on.
And for the record I'm referring to the picking on someone emotionally, not physically.
#974 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
I have no issues with that Trump said, though he (like me) could use some work on the delivery. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Doesn't mean he's right all the time, but he says what a lot of people think (or say without 50 microphones in their face). I don't need the message sugarcoated. Just say it. All this worrying about hurting people's feelings is ridiculous. It's okay to have hurt feelings. It's okay to be insulted. This pussification of America is doing way more damage than it is doing good.
Why is bullying so effective? Because we don't teach kids how to handle adversity, so the second something happens, they crumble and have no idea how to recover. We don't teach them that there are winners and losers in life, so when they become the loser when life doesn't hand them a trophy for existing, they don't know how to handle it.
Millennials are actually onto some smart ideas. Flexible work arrangements is one I love. I saw a video on FB where they were making fun of the Millennial for not wanting to do 8 AM. Guess what? I don't want to do 8 AM either...I get it. But there are going to be times when 8 AM is necessary and they don't seem to grasp that side of it (as a whole, I am sure some do). Earn the credibility; then you can pitch not being there at 8 AM every day, but that's not how most of them think it works. Demand upfront. Get promoted every 6 months. Quit and go to a new job if they don't promote you in 6 months because they expect you to accomplish something worthy of promotion.
#975 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
Monkey is a wise man!
He is. There are always going to be rich people and there are always going to be poor people. Every society has that. Even socialist countries have it...there are just more poor people but maybe a few less dirt poor people. Increase minimum wage and we will still have poor people. In fact, we'll have more of them. The rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor and the lower middle-class will be added to the poor category.
#976 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
#977 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:We will never have control of our own citizens.
Either you're taking the word control the wrong way or you're admitting that there's no chance we can support more people since we can't take care of our own. I'll assume it's the former given your political leanings...
No it’s the later but i have a bit of a different interpretation....i think that the US intentionally doesn’t take care of its own. I don’t think there’s much interest in that. This is what capitalism produces.
How do you think we're going to pay for taking care of our own? Or is that not relevant and we should just do it no matter what? And if that's the case, I assume you would support shutting off the borders and deporting all non-citizens so we can focus on taking care of our own...
#978 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:We can't even keep our own off the streets. No need to bring in anyone else that can't contribute...we're overflowing with that already. It's not a racist point of view, it's socioeconomicist. Once we have control of our own citizens, then we can start worrying about people from other countries in moderation while making sure we're still taking care of our own.
We will never have control of our own citizens.
Either you're taking the word control the wrong way or you're admitting that there's no chance we can support more people since we can't take care of our own. I'll assume it's the former given your political leanings...
#979 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
We can't even keep our own off the streets. No need to bring in anyone else that can't contribute...we're overflowing with that already. It's not a racist point of view, it's socioeconomicist. Once we have control of our own citizens, then we can start worrying about people from other countries in moderation while making sure we're still taking care of our own.
#980 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago
I don't do twitter. It's a cesspool as far as I'm concerned. I do use Facebook to keep up with family and friends since I am so far away from them. I avoid the political discussions there like the plague
