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#981 Re: The Sunset Strip » How I Would Have Done Star Wars Episode VIII (Spoilers) » 435 weeks ago

My list would be (quickly off the top of my head):

1. ROTS
2. ROTJ
3. Empire
4. TFA
5. TLJ
6. New Hope
7. Attack Of The Clones
8. Phantom Menace

I loved ROTS; could do without either of the other prequels though I appreciate the story to some extent.  ROTJ really shouldn't be #2...it really wasn't a good movie, but I was 10 when it came out and it just hit me at an influential time.  If Episode 9 fixes my problems with 8, I could see all 3 of them ending up ahead of Empire for me.  Most SW fans would kill me for this ranking...

#982 The Garden » Net Neutrality » 435 weeks ago

buzzsaw
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I know this came up in the politics thread, but I'd like to drag this out of there for a couple reasons.  One so it doesn't get lost in the rest of the conversation, but more importantly because I want to keep it away from the animosity of that thread.

I'd like some help understanding the pros and cons of net neutrality.  Not the talking points...I've seen those.  I prefer real-life application.  To me, the solution is fairly simple...if there were more competition in the markets instead of monopolies in terms of the ISP options in local markets, net  neutrality would take care of itself.  People would go to the place that gave them the options they wanted.  I don't need the gov't to demand something that the free-market will demand for us.  The only reason I can think of that this won't work is because the monopolies run so deep that it will take time and money to open the markets up to other companies...that's the only hiccup I see, but I am curious what others think.  This isn't my area of expertise, so help me learn something.

#983 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago

I've lived in the south for 15 years or so and there are things I still don't completely understand, but I accept it for what it is.  There are cultural things that mean something here that don't mean the same thing everywhere.  The flag...that fucking racist flag that only represents racism to some blacks and a very small number of racist white people.  The south hasn't let go of the past in a few aspects...but the culture here for better or worse is different.  Some of it is just a joke to say fuck you to people that judge them, but they believe in tradition and southern heritage/hospitality.  It's a different mindset and just because you and I don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong.  They have different values.  Doesn't mean they are right or wrong.  They are just different.

When you're brought up a certain way (whatever that way is), it gets ingrained in you.  Your family shapes your mind when you're young.  Some people as they get older start to think for themselves or experience different cultures and expand their worldview.  One thing that was very interesting where I lived before moving to Charlotte...without doing a scientific poll, 90% of the people in that county had never been on an airplane before.  Many lived on a piece of land that was given to them as part of the family land.  Chattanooga was the big city and people hated going there.  If you haven't lived there you have no chance of understanding it.  It's not that the people are evil for believing what they believe, they literally don't know any better.  And it's not because they are stupid; they just haven't seen the rest of the world.  They don't understand things and as a result they are afraid of them.  I'm not judging whether it's right or wrong; I'm just trying to help you understand where they are coming from. 

You can't underestimate the impact of the culture people grow up in.  If you don't get to experience other cultures, you don't get to see other perspectives.  The terrorists grow up believing that we are evil because that's how they are raised.  People grow up fans of the Yankees or Mets because they are raised to be a fan of that team by their family.  The confederacy is their culture whether you respect that or not.  That doesn't mean they want slavery back.  That doesn't mean they are all racist or bible thumpers (though those people do exist).  It was their culture before the war and it's going to continue to be their culture.  The more people try to force change on them, the more they are going to embrace it.

#984 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 435 weeks ago

I grew up in a big city in the north, lived in the middle of nowhere in the south for a decade, and settled in Charlotte so I've seen different perspectives.

I think the south overall gets a bit of a bad rap because of stereotyping.  Most people aren't racist.  People don't fuck their sisters and cousins.  Gay people do just fine.  The first observation my wife and I both made the first time we went back north is how hillbilly the people there were.  We lived near a big city, but far enough away where we were surrounded by corn.  There's very little difference between those people and the people in the middle of nowhere in the south.  It's a different lifestyle, mostly by choice. 

Racism exists everywhere.  Even people that aren't really racist have tendencies that people could call racist.  People hang out with people they have things in common with, so on that level, some segregation happens naturally.  I consider myself to be a social-economicist more than anything else. 

One of my friends here is gay.  He went to the football game a couple weeks ago with his boyfriend and posted some pictures of them kissing.  People around them ranged from ignoring it to high-fiving them.  That would be the reaction anywhere.  Not everyone tolerates that regardless of where you are at.  Some people aren't going to like it anywhere (short of maybe a pride parade).  Several people I work with are gay.  It hasn't hindered them professionally (at least not where we work), but I understand that wouldn't be the case everywhere.

The south has idiots.  For sure.  So does the north.  So do big cities and small farming communities.  Any group is going to have people that fit all types of profiles.  The south isn't any different than the rest of the country.

#985 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Didn't even get that far.  You discredited your entire post with the beginning.

I'm not an Obama basher, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

You bash him constantly...you're doing it in this very post.

He fucked up healthcare. That's his legacy and he deserves every criticism he gets for it.

I disagree...as someone who is healthy (I'm guessing) you might see it as a failure...but I know people who are now getting much better healthcare that actually needs it. But being that you seem to lean conservative, I'm guessing you lack a lot of empathy toward anyone outside the of 6 inches surrounding you.

Relatively healthy I suppose, but far from healthy.  Wife is a diabetic.  I work in the industry as well and have for about 10 years now.  I know more than most about it.  The problem is that ACA didn't work at all.  It is a failure because it was designed to be a failure so they could get single-payer.  Oops.  That didn't work, did it?  You are close to right...I have a lot of empathy, but very little sympathy.  There's a difference between the two. I feel for people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I have to support them forever either. Take some responsibility for yourself.

See, the problem is nobody except the sick signed up.  That is unsustainable.  He fucked up healthcare on purpose, but instead of getting what he wanted, the end result was the backlash that contributed to Trump being elected.  It's not bashing when you're telling it like it is.  Bashing is what you guys do to Trump...everything is going along just fine, but you bash the fuck out of him because you feel like it.  No rhyme, no reason.

You're probably right on the economy.  I was thinking backwards...Clinton destroyed the economy by creating the conditions that led to the housing and .com bubbles and when they burst (as they were going to because the math didn't work) everyone blamed Bush.  The damage was done already.  Same thing would have happened with healthcare...build this unsustainable platform (whether it's healthcare, bad lending practices, etc) and act surprised when shit falls apart.  In many ways Clinton is lucky she didn't win, because the economy would have been crushed under the weight of the healthcare burden alone and she would have taken the hit for it.  Really we're all lucky.  Instead of being pissed at Trump you guys should be thanking your lucky stars...at least we have a chance this way...

#986 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

Didn't even get that far.  You discredited your entire post with the beginning.

I'm not an Obama basher, so you're barking up the wrong tree.  He fucked up healthcare. That's his legacy and he deserves every criticism he gets for it.  He overstepped his bounds with illegal executive orders. Beyond that he was just okay, but that's two pretty big black marks no pun intended. 

The economy was already headed towards recovery when he took office.  The economy is always cyclical. He did some things to help it along for sure, but let's not pretend he saved it singlehandedly.

#987 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

Desperation doesn't look good on you.

#988 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

Doing something different with NK was a must.  The Obama policy didn't exactly slow them down either.  There's no book on how to handle crazy dictators. Sometimes you just have to try things and see what happens. I'd prefer just wiping them out quickly or ignoring them completely, but I lean towards being an isolationist until there's no option other than getting involved. Once you're involved though, no pussy stuff. Swift and complete destruction. I'd rather the collateral damage be on their side than mine.

#989 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

We're blaming Trump for the flu now?  I suppose AIDS was Reagan's fault...

#990 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 436 weeks ago

Climate change is a joke.  The climate has always been changing...long before man was here.  So of course climate change is real, but the question nobody can answer is how much of it is man made.  People(scientists) throw out hypothesis after hypothesis as fact while quoting scientific research, but do they have a control planet earth somewhere?  The real scientific answer is they don't know, but that doesn't get them more research money.

I believe climate change is real.  I believe man has some level of impact on it.  I also believe scientists have inflated that amount of impact to keep themselves employed.  Every ridiculous prediction has been exaggerated, and often grossly so.  They fall back on inexact science every time it doesn't happen, yet every prediction is still doom and gloom.  They created the doubters themselves and even if you don't believe that they have certainly given them ammunition.

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