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buzzsaw
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buzzsaw wrote:

Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.

Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ … spartandhp

Fuck, Newt and Megyn Kelly go at it.

slcpunk
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slcpunk wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

The thing I don't understand is....why?

Do you think his motivations changed as he went through the process?

I really don't understand why he would  even want the job. He could continue to barely work for a living. Continue living the easy life.

There's not an ounce of altruism in the man. There's just something I can't quite put my finger on it, but something never felt truly real about his candidacy.

Something tells me the post election season will reveal a lot about his original goals.


Frontline had a great expose on this election. In the first five minutes the presented an interesting theory which may very well be why he ran. Watch the first 5 (although the whole thing is worth watching) and let me know what you think.

slcpunk
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slcpunk wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ … spartandhp

Fuck, Newt and Megyn Kelly go at it.


"You're fascinated with sex", says the guy who went after Bill Clinton for 18 months over a blow job.

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johndivney wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Trump represents hope. That you can elect someone the elite does not want. In the Rome of our day. That precedent is more important than almost anything.


http://youtu.be/zmw9dd9UgRQ

TheMole
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TheMole wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.

And yet... somehow... in every fucking other civilized country on the face of the fucking planet they manage to make this system more affordable and more accessible...  while at the same time still having an on average higher quality of service than in the US. Go figure...

TheMole
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TheMole wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:
bigbri wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Hillary is a lying, establishment prick. Prodding a stick to Putin's balls. Why are you afraid of Trump again?

It's not because he is establishment, it's because you don't know what he's going to do.

To be fair, Trump doesn't know what he's going to do, either. He's woefully unprepared, overwhelmingly unqualified to run a country and laughably unfit to lead the west's biggest armed forces.

That is scary. I'm not ashamed to be scared of a Trump presidency. He's not fit to run my local coffee shop or school board.

This kind of thinking is scary.  You can't trust him, but you trust Hillary who has shown over and over that she will also only do what's in her best interests?  I don't understand this thinking at all.  Hillary lies as much or more than Trump.  She's all about her and her agenda.  Nothing has changed about her since Obama correctly identified her faults 8 years ago, but now she's so trustworthy to be President because you know the stupid shit she's going to do instead of not knowing?

The truth is Trump isn't going to do anything.  Pence will effectively be running the country.  Trump has no interest in anything but the title and the attention...he's not interested in the work. 

I'll still take Gary Johnson and his foreign policy concerns over either of them.  He'll have someone else handling that for him anyway.  That's how this works.  None of them do it all...they rely on their advisors.

The difference is that while Hillary lies with a clear purpose (to further her career, to get elected, to squash her competition, to eventually implement her psuedo-neoconservative policies), Trump lies about every fucking little thing that he thinks will further boost his already ginormous ego. He's just a fragile little egomaniac that is looking for affirmation from whoever wants to give it to him, and if that be semi-retarded small-minded racist rednecks, then that's where he'll go. The mind-numbing stupidity that he oozes out of every pore is just blindingly obvious to me... I mean Gary Johnson may be uneducated on certain topics, but he at least has the mental capacity to think through his actions. Trump is just plain old stupid. But worse than him being stupid is that his ego makes him a volatile motherfucker that you simply should not allow anywhere near a position of power. Combine the two, and it's clear that he is too dumb to understand the consequences of his own ego-driven actions...

Hillary might be a liar, but at least she's competent. Even if you don't agree with her policies, you must concede that she's fucking good at what she does.

Neemo
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Neemo wrote:
TheMole wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.

And yet... somehow... in every fucking other civilized country on the face of the fucking planet they manage to make this system more affordable and more accessible...  while at the same time still having an on average higher quality of service than in the US. Go figure...

In Canada we don't pay health care premiums for basic health...it is part of our income taxes...I dunno what taxes are like in the USA but I pax like 25% of my salary to the government each year

TheMole
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TheMole wrote:

Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.

buzzsaw
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Re: US Politics Thread

buzzsaw wrote:
TheMole wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.

And yet... somehow... in every fucking other civilized country on the face of the fucking planet they manage to make this system more affordable and more accessible...  while at the same time still having an on average higher quality of service than in the US. Go figure...

Interesting. That's not what a lot of people that live there say. I hear Canadians complain all the time about their taxes and the wait to see a doctor. I think this is just another falicy that people love to throw out there to say how bad we are that's without merit. Sure, they have universal health care but it's expensive and slow. There's a price for everything. Nothing is free.

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