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#12202 Guns N' Roses » the Madagascar Quotes » 984 weeks ago

Neemo
Replies: 22

just watching mississippi burning and heard the "this whole thing is fucekd up" from maddy, thought i'd post a thread about the quotes themselves. I knwo there has been discussions in the past about them but thought i'd revive the topic for the new forum. so what do we think of the subject matter? is it about oppression in general, or a reference to something personal to axl or even the breakup of gnr and slashs departure? do we think think these are movies that have influenced or interest Axl or did they just fit what he was lookiong for? Will the quotes make the final album? or will they be chopped because he couldnt get the rights to use them

as with a couple other of the new tracks...i think Madagascar is about the breakup of the original band

I'm gonna tell you a story - FBI Agent Monk (portrayed by Badja Djola), Chapter 35-A Razor Sharp Confession-1:40:06; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

Stand up for righteousness! - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

What? - Road Prison 36 Captain (portrayed by Strother Martin), Cool Hand Luke, 1967; written by Donn Pearce

Stand up for justice! - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

What? - Road Prison 36 Captain (portrayed by Strother Martin), Cool Hand Luke, 1967; written by Donn Pearce

Stand up for truth! - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

How can a person grow up with all this around them? - Detective William Somerset (portrayed by Morgan Freeman), Chapter 19; Se7en, 1995; written by Andrew Kevin Walker

You got to call on that something - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

Where does it come from? - FBI Agent Alan Ward (portrayed by Willem Dafoe), Chapter 6-'where does it come from, all this hatred?'-00:20:25; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

That can make a way out of no way - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

All this hatred? - FBI Agent Alan Ward (portrayed by Willem Dafoe), Chapter 6-'where does it come from, all this hatred?'-00:20:25; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

What we've got here is - Road Prison 36 Captain (portrayed by Strother Martin), Cool Hand Luke, 1967; written by Donn Pearce

Fear - Detective William Somerset (portrayed by Morgan Freeman), Chapter 19; Se7en, 1995; written by Andrew Kevin Walker

That power that can make a way out of no way - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

Failure to communicate - Road Prison 36 Captain (portrayed by Strother Martin), Cool Hand Luke, 1967; written by Donn Pearce

I tell ya I seen the lightning...I've heard the thunder roll - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

Everybody's acting like we can do anything and it don't matter what we do. Maybe we gotta be extra careful because maybe it matters more than we even know. - Private Eriksson (portrayed by Michael J. Fox), Casualties of War, 1989; written by Daniel Lang

Sometimes... - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

Hatred isn't somethinG you're born with - Mrs. Pell (portrayed by Frances McDormand); Chapter 29-Mrs. Pell Gives the Vital Information-- 1:29:22; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

I feel discouraged - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

It gets taught - Mrs. Pell (portrayed by Frances McDormand); Chapter 29-Mrs. Pell Gives the Vital Information-1:29:22; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

Sometimes I feel discouraged - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

I felt this fear - Detective William Somerset (portrayed by Morgan Freeman), Chapter 19
Se7en, 1995; written by Andrew Kevin Walker

He promised never to leave me, never to leave me alone, no never alone, no never alone. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

Let's get something straight, alright? - Agent Rupert Anderson (portrayed by Gene Hackman), Chapter 27-- Ward and Anderson's Frustration -1:24:58; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

Promised never to leave me - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

This whole thing was fucked up - Agent Rupert Anderson (portrayed by Gene Hackman), Chapter 27-- Ward and Anderson's Frustration -1:24:58; Mississippi Burning, 1988; written by Chris Gerolmo

Never to leave me alone - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Why Jesus Called A Man A Fool, (Delivered at Mount Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church, Chicago, Illinois, on 27 August 1967)

All men betray. All lose heart - The Leper / Robert the 16th Earl of Bruce (portrayed by Ian Bannen), speaking to his son, Robert the 17th Earl of Bruce in a scene concerning the betrayal Robert the 17th Earl of Bruce committed toward William Wallace; Chapter 15-Lands of Death-2:13:57; Braveheart, 1995; written by Randall Wallace

I don't want to lose heart!...I want to believe - Robert the 17th Earl of Bruce, (portrayed by Angus McFadyen) responding to his father (The Leper / Robert the 16th Earl of Bruce)'s nonchalant attitude toward betrayal; Chapter 15-Lands of Death-2:14:02; Braveheart, 1995; written by Randall Wallace

Black men and white men - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have A Dream, (Delivered as the keynote speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on 28 August 1963; written by Julian Bond)

Together at the table of brotherhood - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have A Dream, (Delivered as the keynote speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on 28 August 1963; written by Julian Bond)

I have a dream - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have A Dream, (Delivered as the keynote speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on 28 August 1963; written by Julian Bond)

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty we are free at last! - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have A Dream, (Delivered as the keynote speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on 28 August 1963; written by Julian Bond)

quotes and info taken from mygnr

#12203 Re: The Sunset Strip » 10 Greatest Horror Films of all Time elimination- Round 6 » 984 weeks ago

tcm

i understand what they wher trying to do, but the frantic camera work made the film nearly unwatchable for me shining and exorcist are 2 of the movies that freak me out the most

halloween is cool but to me it was more of a franchise movie than the other 2 films

#12204 Re: Guns N' Roses » I know the wait is hard but check this out ( a poster at mygnr.com) » 984 weeks ago

looks lke someone found a creative way to promote their photograhper freind roll

not to be too rude but if any of those photos appear in the booklet i'll be pretty disappointed

actually thats not quite true,,,there are a couple photos that are not bad, but still not what i'm expecting in the GnR booklet

i say a clever promo for that site...nothing more 2

#12205 Guns N' Roses » 2007: The Year The Music Died » 984 weeks ago

Neemo
Replies: 12

not really a gnr article but there are some gnr references and this is a fairly important topic in music today

12/27/2007
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(antiMusic) Since it is such a slow news day, we'll end the final Day in Rock report of the year with an editorial I wrote about the current state of the music business. - Keavin antiMusic editor.
I started antiMusic almost ten years ago with the crazy dream of using it to showcase quality music that was being ignored by the mainstream. The last thing I thought it would turn into was a chronicle of the demise of the music business. Where I once was an optimistic and passionate music lover, today I'm pretty cynical about the whole "business" of music where the very last consideration seems to be the music. I'm still passionate about music, but I have utter contempt for the entertainment business at large and its culture of mediocrity, trend mongering and lack of passion about what really should be important and that is the art.

A few years back, I wrote a couple of related editorials about this trend and how it has only grown over time. One piece dealt with how some of the biggest selling albums of all time came about by mistake because given the general operating procedures of the music business they would have never had a chance. I wrote about how the Beatles were turned down by every major record company of the day. Not once, but twice. Now, think about that for a minute. The people at the record companies that supposedly know the music business turned down The Beatles twice because they didn't think they could "market" them. It has only become worse since then. There is a good chance that a band that could be as revolutionary as the Beatles is sitting in a garage somewhere, playing pay-to-play gigs and getting ignored by the corporate record company machine and you'll never hear them because they don't sound just like everybody else or won't make good pin-ups for teen magazines.

The sad state of affairs at the end of 2007 is that our biggest selling music stars are coming from a television karaoke contest. Sure they are talented, but do they really bring anything new to the game? Or are they, by the very nature of how they achieved their fame, playing it safe and putting out music which is basically a Xerox of what has come before? Sure, some inspire real passion from their fans. Some fans go to the point of insane obsession but when you really look at it, it usually boils down the cult of personality over the love of their decent, but mostly forgettable and interchangeable, music.

The record companies are corporations in the business to make money. God bless them for that, but somewhere along the line they lost almost all focus of the fact that great music can and does sell. And the last thing that seems to be in their mind these days is creating long-term careers and instead they want to focus on cashing in on "what's hot" today; as they pass out pink slips to their employees when their latest signings received a lukewarm reception. It interesting that the first music business billionaire was David Geffen, a man that made a career of taking chances on what he thought was great music, even if it didn't exactly fit in with the flavor of the week. He pretty much took chances and as a result made the trends, didn't follow them.

Now let's take a little look at the problem with "flavors of the week". Tween girls used to go insane over people like Scott Baio, Leif Garrett and Shawn Cassidy (insert and teen idol/90210/The OC star name here) but that passion was short-lived. People get excited about Led Zeppelin reuniting decades past their heyday, but does anyone care what yesterday's teen idol is doing? Frankie Goes to Hollywood had two of the top five biggest selling songs in the UK during the 80s, but when was the last time you heard about them (aside from a punch line)? Or have you even heard of them at all? This is just one problem of historic focus on short-term fame and gain.

To illustrate that problem, here is a highlight of sales from just one year; 1989. A year that really started the downward trend in music. The biggest selling album in the US that year was from Bobby Brown. The only time we hear about him today is in relation to scandal and who he married. The second biggest seller was from New Kids On The Block and the third was from Paula Abdul. How many CDs are they selling today? Interestingly enough, the No. 5 biggest selling album that year shows us the other side of the coin; the long term. Two years after it was released, Guns N' Roses' 'Appetite for Destruction' was the fifth biggest selling album of the year. This was a band that definitely didn't fit any trend at the time (aside from being hard rock) but sonically they didn't sound like anyone else and they still standout as original today.

Remember the long term here because Appetite, over the long haul with 15 million copies sold in the U.S., has outsold all of the albums that topped the annual sales list of that era: 1987's biggest seller Bon Jovi's 'Slippery When Wet' (12 million), 1988's George Michael's 'Faith' (10 million) and of course 1989's Bobby Brown's 'Don't Be Cruel' (7 million). By the way, GNR were one of those acts that Geffen took a chance on and stuck with even when they didn't have immediate success. It actually took them a year to catch on. In today's music business they would have been dropped after a couple months without a hit. Then again, in today's business they would have never been given a record deal in the first place. We need more David Geffens and Tom Zutauts and fewer Jay-Zzzzs and Matt Pinheads.

Should we mention other top 5 sellers that have slipped into obscurity? MC Hammer, Wilson Phillips, C&C Music Factory, Michael Bolton, INXS, Billy Ray Cyrus, Ace of Base, Hootie and the Blowfish, Fugees and the list goes on.

To be fair, you always have trends and one hit wonders, but over the past ten years the trends have dominated because labels have lost focus on developing "career" artists that don't fit nicely into the mainstream or current trend. (Label consolidations hasn't helped). Just look at the top sales from 1999: Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Shania Twain, N Sync, and Ricky Martin. 2001 gave us Shaggy and Limp Bizkit (but the Beatles topped the list 22 years after they broke up). Will Shaggy, Britney or the Backstreet Boys top the charts in 2023? Can Limp Bizkit get into the Top 200 this year? 2002 sported Creed, Pink, and Nelly. This year gave us two American Idol alums, Akon, Fergie and a Disney tween star. Will any of these "stars" still be big ten or fifteen years from now or will they be on a Vh1 reality show?

It's real easy to point to outside elements as the cause of the decline in music sales. The biggest scapegoat is illegal downloaders. But even with all music practically out there for free, people still pay for music they believe in. The problem is the lack of interest in what is being offered. Sure you can pander to a "focused" group like pop fans who change with the season, kids with a parent's credit card and the current hip-hop flavor of the week, but the real passionate music fans are feeling left out and ignored by the major record companies and even the indies. It is to their own detriment to have such a narrow view and focus. That narrow view is leading to a narrower potential for profit and success. They only limit themselves with it. The next time these executives are looking over the Billboard singles chart they might want to glance at the Boxscore chart to see what the more dedicated fans are paying for. You know those fans that will spend a hundred bucks on a concert ticket without even thinking about it. When's the last time you focused on what they like? Ah but those are older acts they don't sell CDs any longer. Tell that to The Eagles, Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi.

A few years ago I was given a gift card to Tower Records. I excitedly went to the local store with my mind set on picking up a couple of albums that weren't chart toppers but did sell well (both platinum) and should still be in stock. Sadly, I went in and the racks were filled with the "current" trend titles and very few albums that dated even a couple years before. I couldn't find one album that I wanted to buy. I remember going to Tower just a few years previous and spending hours going through the racks and finding gems like rare imports, b-sides etc, but on this trip I had the choice of the current "hot" rapper, Britney Spears, boybands, rap-metal or banal pop-punk groups with singers that sound like they need to take a Benadryl. I ended up going to the video section and picking up some DVDs instead. But you see Tower became too focused on the current trends and ignored the diehard music loving customer base that was their bread and butter and Tower fell as a result. The irony is that the download excuse is used a lot but you're more likely to find a casual pop fan not willing to pay for music that they will toss aside when the next "hot" release comes along, than a diehard rock fan that will buy everything the band puts out. So by focusing on short term artists, the labels are in fact exacerbating the download problem and creating a long-term crisis which is coming to a head for them now.

This isn't just a problem for the major labels, as many of the indie labels seem to be playing the same game. We have labels devoted to sound-alike pop-punk/emo groups and a half a dozen putting out indistinguishable metalcore and mallcore bands. And the problem here is that even the indies don't seem to want to take a chance on anything remotely different from the current trends.

Now I want to be clear that there are a lot of great and dedicated people that work at these labels that really get behind their artists and do their best to help them succeed. I've worked with some incredible people through the years at both major and indie labels. When I fault the labels I do not fault these people. I find the blame lies much higher up the food-chain, but sadly when the Limp Bizkit hits the fan at the labels it is these dedicated employees that usually are shown the door, when the fault lies with the decision makers at those companies. It would be interesting to see what would happen if one of these employees took over. I hate to harp on David Geffen but he did start out in the mailroom and it was a secretary that found a photo and demo tape discarded in a trashcan by an A&R person that lead Geffen to signing the Eagles.

The overall problems of the current music business really crystallized for us here at antiMusic when it came time for our writers and contributors to turn in their picks for Album of the Year. A few of the writers outright said they couldn't in good conscience make a selection because nothing stood out this year. One writer even selected Guns N' Roses 'Chinese Democracy' as his pick as the leaked demos from the CD were the only thing that made an impression on him this year. While in past years we had writers that couldn't narrow down their lists, this year the drought of standout music really hit home where not one album stood out from the pack for some of them. And our writers listen to a lot of music. Be it major label stuff or obscure indie stuff that is sent to us. We've averaged over a hundred reviews a month, so it's not like they haven't been exposed to new releases this year. Our writers do this for their love of music and when you have a year where they weren't offered any music that they fell in love with; then something isn't right with that picture. (A few did find some worthy releases this year and we will post that list next week.)

In April we will mark our 10th anniversary. Like I said at the beginning of this piece, this site was started ten years ago with the crazy (and admiringly naive) dream of using it to showcase quality music that was being ignored by the mainstream. Now ten years later we have a problem because not only does the mainstream ignore quality music, the underground isn't doing much better and we don't have many quality releases to tell you about. It's discouraging to say the least, and to be honest, having failed at our fundamental mission we'll have to think long and hard in the coming months if we will wish to continue going down with the sinking ship that is the music business or just toss in the towel knowing we tried to make a difference but couldn't. The dream dies hard but sooner or later you need to realize you have been dreaming the impossible dream.

http://www.antimusic.com/news/07/dec/28 … Died.shtml

#12206 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash talks new book, Velvet Revolver plans » 984 weeks ago

pretty decent interview, and looks like VR is still kicking 21

again was pretty nice to axl and apparent Axl has read slash book and hasnt contacted his lawyers 16

#12207 Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash talks new book, Velvet Revolver plans » 984 weeks ago

Neemo
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Slash talks new book, Velvet Revolver plans
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For someone who claims to suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder, the guitarist known as Slash is pretty focused and accomplished. While recording "Libertad," the second album from his hard-rock act Velvet Revolver, the musician wrote his first biography, "Slash," which was released in October.

"I wrote the book on the fly," said Slash, a.k.a. Saul Hudson, while calling from his Los Angeles home. "I took it very seriously. It wasn't easy doing it while we were making this record because I get a little distracted. I have a really short attention span, but I hammered it out."

One big reason Slash penned the bio was to address Guns N' Roses issues for the last time, he said.

"People never stop asking me questions about my former band," Slash said. "Now all of my answers are in that book."

In it, Slash is remarkably fair regarding his former foil, enigmatic singer Axl Rose.

"I had no intention of trashing Axl," Slash said. "That's the problem with a lot of these books. They're overwhelmingly negative. Axl is a genius. I wasn't about to attack his character."

So far, at least, there's been no fallout from the volatile Rose's camp.

"I haven't heard anything from Axl's people," Slash said. "I know he's read the book. A mutual friend told me. I haven't gotten any vicious messages or anything. I guess he's cool with it."

Slash is the only member of GNR who has released a biography. He said he doubts that Rose, who still is putting the finishing touches on the long-awaited album "Chinese Democracy," will write one, too.

"How long do you think it'll take him to do that?" Slash said while laughing. "I mean, it's taken over a decade for him to release his record. I don't think that he can release a book in our lifetime."

The current members of Velvet Revolver, who will perform Saturday at Trenton's Sovereign Bank Arena and Monday at the Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan, plan to write and record a third album in 2008.

"We want to keep the momentum going with this band," Slash said. "We want to get right back into the studio shortly after this tour ends."

Velvet Revolver, whose current members include singer Scott Weiland, bassist Duff McKagan, drummer Matt Sorum and guitarist Dave Kushner, continues to make solid, straightforward rock 'n' roll.

"I think you know what you'll get from us," Slash said. "We like to do things in a certain way. We all just connect well with each other. We fit perfectly, and that's key for this band. Guns N' Roses was pretty dysfunctional. This band functions. We all fit together."

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#12208 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can interest (in Chinese Democracy) be regained? » 984 weeks ago

in response to the thread title...i think that the official annoiuncement of a release will spark interest, but the real thing that needs to happen is smoe serious promotion, appearances in rock mags and stuff, axl in the spotlight again, appreaing in tbloids and on radio interviews, a single release and a video...onvce the ball starts rolling the interest will increase

#12209 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Video Game Console Thread » 984 weeks ago

oh yeah,,, guitar hero, now that i got my PS2 back i dunno what system i should buy it for the wii or PS2...i only have one guitar for the PS2 so yeah...its a it of a conundrum for me but oi;ve played GH3 and i gotta say it kicks serious ass

AxlS i've heard some pretty mixed review on Ass-Ass-In's Creed so you might wanna rent it before buying...i dunno what the fuck orange box is so cant help ya 16

#12210 Re: Guns N' Roses » Questions » 984 weeks ago

:drool:ok a bit of a complicated thread but i;; try to touch on some of the thoughts being talked about

old band vs new band, i never saw the orig band live, closest i came was seeing the Paris PPV on TV. and at that time the band was so bloated the stupid reggae KOHD and tracy and roberta, there was a few things i hated about that show. but still they seemed awesome from that show in any case. the new band...in two stages....in '02 the enegery was electric, BH was insane, axl was awe inspiring as i had never seen him live before and i wasnt expecting much, But robin was a huge turnoff back then, and fortus and tommy were forgettable..come 06, fortus has definately upped his stage prescence and Robin is a million times improved, tommy is still forgettale IMO, and BBF is a good replacement for BH, not worse or anything just a different animal, he is world class though, just incredible to watch, just as BH was. as for the crowd energy though...it sucked, a mid-week show, people had traveled from work to watch and had to work the next day, everyone was tired and at 1:30am just didnt have the energy rock out, axl even commented on it....asking ron not to wake us up during his solo 16 Now VR, i saw them in 05 (?) and Slash and Duff are incredible, i dont care waht anyone says....hell even matt is in your face, for a drummer thats saying something, but the three of them were great, and frankly their stage precence over powered Scott and Dave, and i'm a huge Scott fan but slash just draws the eye 11

as for a reunion, i wanna see the new band suceed as much as anyone but i never understood the idea of not wanting a reunion to happen....the old band made every tune we've all come to love

and the energy surrounding gnr is dead at the moment, jsut look at any board and you'll see that...hopefully the interest will come back when someone decides to finally update us again

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