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#1331 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sorum Issues RRHoF Statement » 734 weeks ago
I found Matt's integrity lacking back in the day.
Snakepit was something Slash maintains he and Matt came up with, while other people joined in to round up an album. Of course, these were originally the GNR demos Axl rejected. Slash booked a tour for Snakepit and asked Matt to tag along. At this point, Matt found himself as a pawn in the Slash/Axl powerplay, as Axl asked him to stay at home. He did.
Axl's offering was simple: keep on working on the new GNR album. Matt stuck around and went on to lessen the Snakepit album in public. Nice guy, considering the incentive for himself and Slash to originally write the damn thing. By then, he'd gotten to Neurotic Outsiders with Duff since Axl was idle, so he had all bases covered.
Axl didn't have a problem with Duff's sideprojects as much as Slash's, so Matt went on about how cool Axl was about everybody doing their thing. Doublestandards all 'round, sure. What tripped the boat for me was the whole Paul Huge incident. Matt has later told the story about getting fired because he stood up to Slash.
The way Matt tells the story is to picture himself as a hero and Paul Huge as a Yoko Ono. Quite simplifying, as at that point, Matt and Paul had an equal amount of GNR writing credits - zero. If anything, he'd like to remembered as someone who got booted out because of his loyalties instead of his big mouth.
He hardly ever mentions that, for several years, he was desperate to get back on the job.
Axl never called Mr Integrity back.
#1332 Re: Guns N' Roses » Howard Stern/Eddie Trunk on GNR » 734 weeks ago
Good one.
Stern: "Does Axl have any plastic surgery done?"
Trunk: "Yeah... (pause) It's hard to tell with the hat and the glasses."
#1333 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sorum Issues RRHoF Statement » 734 weeks ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/arts/ … ppers.html
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: April 15, 2012
An earlier version of a photo caption accompanying this article misidentified one of the subjects. He is Gilby Clarke, not Izzy Stradlin.
Same old. Who's Gilby? 
#1334 Re: Guns N' Roses » On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings » 734 weeks ago
Ah, but the truth is a complicated matter.
As for the name,
Axl says he got his clause inserted in 1990 during the Alan Niven renegotiation.
S & D claim the clause was inserted in a 1992 revision, which links to the 'Axl wouldn't come on stage' story.
Duff has alluded Doug Goldstein did present them a stack of papers to sign. Slash has said to have been blindsided by the whole name affair as it happened. Now, let's look at this differently.
In 1990, Axl puts in the name clause (as Axlin describes, possibly) during the Alan Niven renegotiation. Not much is ever made of this, and Axl's happy. Slash & Duff don't bother reading through the contract at this point.
In 1992, Doug Goldstein has Slash & Duff sign the revision mentioned in the lawsuit. The Axl clause for the partnership is there already, has been for two or so years. There may be a lot of stuff in the revision S & D might be curious about, but Goldstein is alluding Axl's show depends upon them signing.
The Death Clause (to which Duff refers to in his book) can be seen as Axl putting his seatbelt on. S & D are in the deep end with their substance abuse, and one wouldn't be surprised to find one OD'ing and another with a burst pancreas. So if the Death Clause of '92 would've been Axl's idea, one has to admit it does have something of a point.
S & D got curious over the contract some three years later, when Axl sent them a letter saying he'll disband the partnership.
Here's one from the Greatest Hits lawsuit:
"Since 1992, [GNR and Geffen Records] have executed various amendments to the Recording Agreement, including most notably, two amendments dated as of May 1, 1998.
One of these amendments [...] confirmed Slash's and Duff's departure from the band and their status as "Leaving Members" under the 1992 Recording Agreement, thereby relieving them of charges against their royalty accounts for the enormous recording costs and other expenses being incurred by Axl Rose in connection with the recording of the new Guns N' Roses studio album.
Slash and Duff, like Stradlin and Adler before them, retained a royalty interest in masters created under the Recording Agreement prior to their departure from the band."
Ok, so let's look at that differently.
Alternative reality; Axl, Slash, Duff & co complete the '96 album. S & D remain in the band throughout. Based on the description above, S & D retain royalties for their contributions to the '96 album. They also share the financial responsibility for the recording costs. With me so far?
What kind of hired hands are treated with rewards and responsibilities comparable to the Man himself?
Slash called it escrow. What does that mean, really?
When you put money in escrow it is held by a neutral third party (called an escrow agent) who works for both the lender and the borrower. The agent's role is to carry out the instructions agreed upon by both parties. The money is released when all the terms of the agreement are met. - here
The money coming from the GNR organization to Slash and Duff for their ongoing work on the '96 album would be held by, perhaps, Doug Goldstein. They'd still have their share as partnership members, but their continued presence would be dependant on their ability to complete an album with Axl.
Slash & Duff would've been the victims of some ruthless powerplay. Axl's not too innocent here, as the claim to the name (which he dates back to 1990) seems a particular sore spot.
But the possibility that rises from this haggling is that Axl's enablers encouraged him to contain Slash & Duff, his equal partners and collaborators, both contractually and financially.
Why would Doug Goldstein or anyone else choose to feed Axl's insecurities to such ends? Well, in 1992, GNR was a very big band in the middle of a very big tour. Whoever had the ultimate say on the brand name became the one all the sharks zeroed in on.
They'd know who to go to because of the Name Clause Axl had inserted two years earlier.
#1335 Guns N' Roses » On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings » 734 weeks ago
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"Until every single one of [the inaccurate accounts and fallacies regarding the old lineup] has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion."
Well, Axl,
Your truth is yours.
That is, your view of the world and the priorities you set to things, ideas and people are the sum of the stuff you've picked up along the way, and for better or for worse, those things make up your personality. Your truth has elements from all over, like everyone else's, but it's made up by yourself alone.
You know how to align yourself to it accordingly, in order to stay true. You stick to your truth, despite the heavy lifting you oftentimes have to do with it. The outside world often has a truth drowning yours.
The media has different truths outlet to outlet, reporter to reporter. The public have different truths about the lineups. The fans certainly have different truths on release schedules.
Axl, be serious. The reason your truth is not heard is because of the way we see you, a man desperately trying to remain still.
"But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on."
The public got what they wanted, perhaps. All the GNR drama about will they or won't they, with you yourself contributing to the ambiguity. How did you tweet on December 7th, after the nomination was publicized?
"I’d like to thank the Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame and our fans. This is your victory."
And then you drop the bombshell a few days before the show to get a "grandstanding" for your truth. Everybody boos at you, all news reports on the event seem to feature the Man Who Wasn't There.
Myles Kennedy showed up to take your place. But no-one dared to bill the performance as "Guns N' Roses". Izzy did the right thing by not playing, and that goes in line with what the others have been doing over the years. The last time four or more AFD members were on the same stage was when Izzy came back in 1993.
You could've said no thanks for a performance the easy way, but knowing the public image of you, the media was anxious for the suspense, and you probably had a laugh at it yourself. And everybody who wanted a show seemed to enjoy the performance by Myles and the Guns alumni.
"Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."
You blew a hole to the reunion scheme the hard way. You paid back every harsh word about CD, the band and yourself in rose petals by stating, no, not going. The world sneers at your dream, you sneer back when asked to pull a number for them.
The biggest losers at the moment are your fans, dude. The ones who bother to wait out for you despite you being notoriously late from just about everything. The ones who share your truth about Chinese Democracy and about what GNR today is all about.
You wanted the public to move on, well, maybe RRHOF will do the trick. But if you want your fans to heed that call, you better haul ass as well. Cause frankly, your boy, DJ, is less than Gilby in the GNR legacy, as he's never played on a GNR album.
"Until [the truth is out there], there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion."
Whenever you want to start washing the dirty laundry of the old Guns publicly, I'm willing to bet we're all ears. Wait, you did that after releasing CD. It was a lot about how you felt what was necessary, a lot less about what happened from your point of view. In fact, you were so busy debunking other peoples' stories, you forgot to tell how it actually went down.
Do a song about it and you'll be heard alright.
#1336 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hall of Fame Videos » 734 weeks ago
Myles has got some balls.
That was standing in for Axl Rose alongside Slash in an event every fan of the original band was interested in.
In the middle of a media blitz, where Axl raised a storm by sticking to his no-show policy (albeit announcing it just a bit too close - next time Ax, spare us the tweets containing any 'this is (the fans') victory' pep talk).
And a rather daring move for Slash and Duff to go along with it - without Izzy.
Steven had his moment, and he may now have peace.
So, at the end of the day,
is everyone happy with what we DID get?
#1337 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
Possible, that.
Feeling cheated?
#1338 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago
The double standards are great on both sides of the fence.
Some say the RRHOF lineup was not the 'Real' GNR, just a bunch of people who used to play in the band.
Just like those who think Axl should have specific people in the lineup to justify the GNR name.
And I can tell you one thing. Somewhere right now, Axl is eating up all this clamoring and attention towards him. He's still the bad boy, the pillar of integrity, and whatever justifications the biggest nutswingers around (yes, you, Fernando) can come up with.
And who gives a toss?
They may reunite one day, but I would've been surprised to see it happen in Cleveland. You put an inch of pressure on Axl, he'll walk away and have you fired. When he needs the last payday, he'll do it - and the rest will follow, aside Izzy, perhaps.
Just how it goes.
#1339 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » GnR = The Beatles? » 735 weeks ago
Got that rt.
Back in the day, it was common to take bets on how long they'll last as a working unit and as human beings. They sort of copped out (pardon the expression) of the suicide department, which would've been a proper stage ending for them.
A part of the craziness of GNR is that they survived, even Steven.
Axl built a legacy of himself as a cuckoo with an album, and now that he has delivered the said album, he can be the elder statesman of Rock, snubbing RRHOF in favor of Lana Del Rey.
There may be a happy ending, still. RRHOF was a light at the end of a sorry little tunnel, and hopefully everybody enjoyed the puppet show. No disrespect for Myles, but the fact is, Axl got most of the limelight by skipping out.
The amazing thing is how everybody and his brother call out Axl for being obsessed with the Slash hatred, yet people all the same remain obsessed with Axl, waiting for him to do anything worth bickering about.
In that sense, he should've gone Morrison. It's horrible, I know. It's called showbiz.
#1340 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 736 weeks ago
I think he'll be there, only expect him to take the stage and bow a few hours late. 
