Bono wrote:

johndivney wrote:

having said that, kurt was the best american songwriter since the 70's, probably since the late 60's so all is forgiven

1st point - wrong. nvrmnd is classic pop album up there w/thriller
every song is a hit
everyone knows every song
in utero is one of the greatest rock albums ever but nvrmnd is as perfect a pop-rock album you'll ever get, it's flawless

2nd point - of course nirvana changed the landscape. they were the beatles of their day.

I swear sometimes you just post shit for the reaction. Seriously dude WTF .

I agree. That is about the dumbest post ever.

If I remember correctly John was the one that came in here awhile back trying to tell us how Bleach was their best album and was loaded with great melodies.

And Nevermind is not better than In Utero, and Nevermind is not known for every song. To actually even think it's comparable to the fucking Beatles is insane.

Kurt was the best American song writers since the 70's. You've gotta be shittin' me. If I knew I could rhyme mosquito and libido years ago, I would've been a major success too. I thought i'd be laughed at for shit like that.

Pearl Jam, when Even Flow and Alive came out, pretty much came across as the pretty boys of the Seattle group. That's seriously not a knock against them. But their album was more polished than AI, SG and Nirvana's were. They were better looking than the other groups. The music was much more pop friendly than the others. They weren't as dark or aggressive, where as Nirvana was really the grungy, rawer sounding, smells bad, unpolished of the group, which is why they probably get looked at as the real deal, fair or not.

And I always got the feeling that that was the reason PJ pulled away from the spotlight, wouldn't do videos and became a much more rawer sounding band, because of how they came across back then. Even going back and remixing TEN, because they didn't like how polished it was. And the remixes I heard were very cool, btw. But I think that goes to show how conscious they were about it, to revisit that album so many years later when it was such a seminal record for them. It's almost like they were embarrassed by it, or it represented something negative to them. Okay, flame away

And I think Kurt had MUCH more to do with their portrayal in the media than the media conspiring to make them the biggest band in the world. He was much smarter and media savvy than people think, and he cultivated their image perfectly. I think the media just lapped up what he gave them, and again, that goes to show that he was one of those rare stars like Morrison, Bowie, who could successfully do that, and was a walking contradiction like all of them were/are, too.