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#3941 Re: The Garden » Knockout blow to the Obama campaign? » 941 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I don't think he was calling her a pig. That's an obvious stretch. I took it as using Palin's line to make his point, and the context it was being used in wasn't necessary. The audience laughed. They knew what he was doing.


My issue with the whole Obama-Palin thing is how unnecessary and irrelevant it is. Do you think Reagan would have kicked Carter's ass had he talked about Mondale constantly? Would Clinton have kicked Bush's ass had he concentrated on Quayle? Where are Obama's advisers during all this? Obama is waaaaaaaay off message.

I think his inexperience is really starting to surface. You let your own VP candidate worry about the opposing VP. I understand the star power of Palin and how she has changed the landscape of this election, but he didn't have to allow it to turn his own campaign upside down.

He hasn't been talking about Palin. He's been talking about McCain.

#3942 Re: The Garden » Knockout blow to the Obama campaign? » 941 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

No one is saying the phrase has never been used before. Obviously it has. However, its obvious who it was directed at. They've been talking about her since McCain picked her, but that minute was the exception?


Chelsea Clinton being ugly because her dad is Janet Reno

You have to admit that was funny.

It is funny. But I'm not a politician attacking another politician over fake outrage for sexism when I've got a history of sexism in the closet. That's what pisses me off about this.

And no, Obama never mentioned Palin in his entire speech. One reporter said that it was 25 minutes long and it was all about McCain. It might have been a swipe at Palin's use of the term lipstick, but it was NOT a shot at Palin herself being a pig, which is EXACTLY what McCain's ad blatantly says when it claims that Obama was talking about Palin. He was not talking about Palin. He was talking about Bush and McCain's policies.

#3943 Re: The Garden » Knockout blow to the Obama campaign? » 941 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Oh please. Her joke at the RNC has pretty much turned into a catch phrase, and days later he uses that phrase.

Just a coincidence? I think not.

It isn't a "non issue". People don't have amnesia. There's other fish to fry anyways. There will be a new attack on McCain/Palin in about five seconds.

Bullshit. McCain used that line at least 3 times that I've seen during this Presidential campaign when talking about Democratic plans. Have you actually watched the video in context or do you just continue jerking off to the McCain propaganda ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OsUsL-yec

Hannity even showed it in context. Anyone who thinks he was talking about Palin is deliberately bullshitting for the sake of politics. I don't think you REALLY want people to start digging up all the sexist crap McCain has done through the years, such as telling some nasty joke about a woman getting raped by an ape or the crap he said about Chelsea Clinton being ugly because her dad is Janet Reno. Or the crap he's said about his own wife. Or the fact that he responded to a question at a town hall event last year, "How do we beat the bitch?" (referring to Hillary Clinton) by laughing it off instead of denouncing it. Yes, Obama's a sexist asshole that's calling Palin a pig. Fucking ridiculous attack. Even O'Reilly stood up against that shit.

#3944 Re: The Garden » Knockout blow to the Obama campaign? » 941 weeks ago

PaSnow, he wasn't making fun of her though. That's what's so idiotic about their "outrage" over it. McCain's own surrogate and former official campaign spokesman has a book titled "Lipstick on a Pig" that goes in depth on the analogy. It is a common analogy and it's pretty clear what Obama was talking about...and it sure as hell wasn't Palin.

#3945 Re: The Garden » Knockout blow to the Obama campaign? » 941 weeks ago

Obama wasn't talking about Palin. He was talking about Bush and McCain's economic policies. Katie Couric and CBS had the video pulled from YouTube because it took her comment completely out of context. She was talking about Hillary Clinton's campaign relying on the "sexism" issue to get votes. John McCain used the SAME DAMN PHRASE to talk about Hillary Clinton's health care plan. Sarah Palin criticized Hillary for complaining about sexism. John McCain made an incredibly cruel joke in 1998 about Chelsea Clinton. He also called his wife Cindy a cunt when she made a joke about his receding hairline years ago. He also dumped his first wife for Cindy because she had a car accident and wasn't attractive enough anymore for him. He also voted against equal pay for equal work legislation. Palin is against it too.

So who's the sexist here? Fucking ridiculous and probably the most hypocritical attack in politics in a long, long time. I said it the day he picked Palin that they were going to try to use any and every little thing to accuse Obama/Biden of sexism despite the fact that Obama/Biden are more feminist in their ideology than Sarah Palin and certainly more than John McCain, who has a history of making sexist jokes about other people's kids, calling his own wife a damn cunt because he can't take a joke, and voting against equal pay for equal work. HYPOCRISY.

#3947 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 942 weeks ago

Obama's energy policy sucks. Ethanol is an awful alternative and he's heavily pushing it. But so is McCain. Every politician seems to be pushing it so far. The government is heavily subsidizing it, but it's just a terrible alternative for a host of reasons.

As for "middle ground," I don't really think it's middle ground so much as common sense and sticking to the facts of the situation. Neither side seems to be capable of that. There's always an exaggeration in their argument instead of merely sticking to the facts. The facts are that we need to drill and we can do it in an environmentally-friendly manner, but also that we need to continue working on offshore drilling, shale oil in states like Colorado, potentially taking advantage of our huge natural gas reserves, and working on non-fossil fuel alternatives for the medium and long term. All of those things can be worked on simultaneously, but none of them are an overnight savior (except shale oil...which is currently too expensive to consistently make a profit while producing it, but a technology breakthrough will leave us with more oil reserves than the Middle East).

#3948 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 942 weeks ago

Energy is not something that should be politicized. Unfortunately, both sides are so hyperbolic in the way they approach the issue that what they do is further ingrain the other side in refusing to give in. The Democrats need to stop fighting energy exploration in the likes of ANWR while the Republicans need to stop feeding Americans BS about how offshore drilling is going to immediately save us. The Democrats also need to stop feeding Americans BS about how global warming is entirely our fault while they drive around in 10-SUV motorcades. Kerry and Gore, especially, I am looking at the two of you. Hypocritical pricks.

#3949 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 942 weeks ago

So McCain copied Obama's "surprise" appearance. LOL.

#3950 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 942 weeks ago

The off-shore drilling thing is a bit of bullshit on the Republicans' part though. Offshore exploration and drilling takes at least a decade to pull off before we start seeing the benefits. When I see politicians claiming that it's the answer to our current energy crunch, I cringe. It is NOT a short-term solution, so they shouldn't even be talking about it in that sense. It is a medium term solution. The long-term solution is finding alternatives so we can stop relying on the fuckers that hate our guts to provide us with energy. Now, drilling in ANWR is an immediate issue. It should be done, no question about it. They have found that the original Alaska pipeline from Prudhoe Bay actually INCREASED the caribou population. It provided a source of warmth for them and they have found it helpful to actually thrive as a species in a harsh environment. The entire argument against drilling in ANWR is based on the premise that it will screw up the migration patterns of a caribou herd. What a crock of shit.

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