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#4261 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
It also seems counter productive to oppose legislation that allows us to maintain eyes on people inside the US that would plan such events as well as extract information from them.
#4262 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
I don't know if you can make a building completely safe from a 747 completely filled with fuel.
#4263 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
so I say again, provide me with a linear theory of what happened. No one has been able to do so. Some of your examples aren't facts, such as bombs in the basement. The official story is the most realistic and has the most documentation to support it. It doesn't rely on youtube videos with no source or interviews with people who weren't there or have no experience in the field related to the collaps of the tower. The few witnesses that claim to have seen these alternate events are few and far between when counted among the thousands who say otherwise. The biggest reason I support the government version is because eveything they say can happen and is grounded in reality. Holograms and drones aren't.
#4264 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
Because the government theory is sound and supported by both witness and scientifc evidence. While there are certain components of the vast number of conspiracy theories out there that would fit into a segment of the events, the other pieces of the puzzle don't fit together. I don't see why it's so hard to accept that 19 Islamic extremist hi-jacked 4 planes, flew 3 into buildings, 2 of which were the WTC. Building 7 has been explained many times over. Yours and the truthers beleif that 9/11 was anything other than the accepted version is no different than the blind beleif the devout have into their religions.
#4265 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
What is your picture trying to show? And what does some operator who hasn't worked at NORAD in 20 years have to do with 9/11? I'll say it again. You came to your conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job long before you had any facts. The thousands of truthers are scrambling to make a theory, but no one has done so. I have yet to see a linear theory on exactly what happened and who was involved outside of the official story. You tube videos and people begging for attention don't count as evidence. My favorite part from your story is how truthers are calling themselves 9/11 researchers.
#4266 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago
You really do go out there to try and find evidence to support something that never happened. SInce when did demolition charges go off one at a time, spread all around? And how hard would it to be to add these little flashes on using some video editing software.
#4267 Re: The Garden » More Democrats and Independents support McCain than vice versa » 911 weeks ago
Regan was older than McCain and it wasn't an issue. One's ability to provide "moving" speeches isn't necessarily the trait of a good leader. Hitler was proably the greatest orator in modern times and his vision wasn't certainly something most would support. I think there's going to be alot of upset Democrats come November.
Alot of the hype out there that was spouted by Democrats was that they were happy they had so many good candidates for president and look where they are now. They want us to believe that Obama is this uniter and that people are jumping ship to join him, but recent polls have shown this to be anything but true. Although McCain will be no Regan, I believe he will be a good president.
#4268 The Garden » More Democrats and Independents support McCain than vice versa » 911 weeks ago
- Randall Flagg
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200803 … itico/9229
GOP looks to 'McCain Democrats' David Paul Kuhn
Thu Mar 27, 5:41 AM ET
A new analysis of March polling data suggests that John McCain's cross-party support surpasses that of either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton.
According to data provided by the Gallup Organization at Politico's request, in a hypothetical contest between McCain and Obama, McCain wins 17 percent of Democrats and those leaning Democratic, while Obama wins 10 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.
In a potential contest with Clinton, McCain wins 14 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaners while Clinton wins 8 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaners.
By way of comparison, exit polls in 2004 reported that George W. Bush won 11 percent of Democrats and John F. Kerry won 6 percent of Republicans.
The new analysis, calculated from a compilation of Gallup's daily polls between March 7 and 22, seems to indicate that there are more 'McCain Democrats' than the much-ballyhooed 'Obama Republicans' '” or 'Obamacans,' as they are sometimes referred to.
The polls were aggregated at Politico's request as part of an effort to assess the cross-party appeal of each candidate. The compilation created a larger sample size, allowing pollsters to more accurately decipher voting patterns by party affiliation.
McCain's potential to win more crossover votes than either of the Democrats, a finding that also surfaces in surveys conducted by Fox News/Opinion Dynamics and in private GOP polls, could upend the political calculus for the November general election.
Equally important, Gallup finds that McCain wins independents against either Democrat '” 48 to 23 percent against Clinton, and 40 to 31 percent against Obama.
In 2004, exit polls showed independents cast 26 percent of the vote, splitting their support evenly between Bush and Kerry.
Both the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign are depending upon McCain's potential appeal to Democrats and independents to compensate for the depleted Republican ranks.
'Democrats currently have a lead in voter identification; it's axiomatic that you have to look beyond your party's base to get to 50 percent,' said Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the RNC.
Late February polling by the RNC, passed along to top officials in the McCain campaign, also found that more Democrats said they would vote for McCain than Republicans said they would vote for Obama, according to an RNC operative and a senior adviser to the McCain campaign.
'There will be something in the range of a quarter of Democrats available or accessible to him when the this Democratic contest is over but that doesn't mean we won't have to work for them,' said a senior McCain adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
That estimate may prove optimistic, though not wildly.
A Fox News poll released last week also found that McCain wins 18 percent of Democrats while Obama wins 11 percent of Republicans. McCain maintains his advantage among independents in the Fox poll, as well.
Clinton, according to the Gallup findings, hemorrhages slightly fewer Democrats than Obama. But Obama more than compensates for Clinton's strength among Democrats with his greater capacity to narrow McCain's advantage among independents. Private polling conducted by Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio reflects the same trend.
'There's going to be McCain Democrats,' Fabrizio said, adding that it was only a question of whether they will be a small sliver of the political left or a movement toward McCain.
If Obama is the Democratic nominee, the McCain adviser said the campaign will target male and female blue-collar white Democrats, a group viewed by Republicans as Obama's soft spot.
'They already sense that [Obama] may be too liberal,' the adviser added. 'They tend to also agree with McCain on the war and on social issues and we'll have to satisfy them that McCain agrees with them on the economy.'
McCain's appeal to Democrats has some Republican strategists envisioning a Ronald Reagan-like road map for the 2008 race. Today, most of the so-called Reagan Democrats have become independents.
'One similarity between 1980 and 2008 is you have a very tough Democratic primary,' said the RNC's Donatelli, who served as the political director in the Reagan White House. 'After that ended, there were a lot of bruised feelings and Democrats who would not vote for the winner.'
Gallup published results Wednesday that showed evidence supporting a similar scenario for 2008. Twenty-eight percent of Clinton's supporters say they would vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The data, aggregating the same period of March polling, also showed 19 percent of Obama's supporters pledging to back McCain if Clinton wins the nomination.
'The bulk of the Democrats you would try to appeal to are not Harvard-educated lawyers who are feminists. They're working-class Democrats that you have more of a shot at getting. And the core of that appeal is social conservatism, right to life, Second Amendment and obviously national security,' Donatelli said.
Comparing Reagan to McCain, Donatelli said 'both of them were and are viewed as mavericks, and a lot of that is character, and a lot of that is the persona of the individual. And it's issue-based too, because you've challenged the orthodoxy on occasion.'
Democrats say they must undercut McCain's maverick image in order to shore up their flank.
'People tend to confuse maverick with moderate,' said Steve Rosenthal, a Democratic leader in mobilizing voters. Rosenthal said Democrats must position McCain as a conservative and introduce them to the 'real John McCain' on issues ranging from abortion to the war in Iraq to the environment.
'If Republicans are successful in defining John McCain as a moderate who can work across party lines and is a straight talker, then we will be in a real battle to win Democrats in some of these swing states,' he continued.
'Against McCain,' Rosenthal said, 'it's clear this is going to be an extremely close race. Anybody who thought that Democrats were going to waltz to the White House in 2008 is crazy.'
#4269 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash on Sky News talks about possible reunion » 911 weeks ago
I'll never understand why everyone seems to think it's all up to Slash. Wouldn't Axl want or need to do a reunion as well?
It's not that people think it's up to Slash. It's that Axl is unreachable and neither Izzy or Duff garner the attention that Axl or Slash do.
#4270 Re: The Garden » 2008 Presidential Poll Thread » 911 weeks ago
McCain leads Obama 49-42 and Clinton 49-41 in latest poll.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont … cking_poll
You folks better start getting used to the idea of John McCain. Let's see if ol' Barack can deliver some change while in the Senate for 4 more years or if it is all talk. A man so capable of uniting people should obviously be chosen as the Senate Majority Leader.:rolleyes: