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#421 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Context of How Old Some of these Tracks Are » 300 weeks ago
There’s always something retro to GNR albums. So the next one would be 00s in the 20s, like AFD was 70s in the 80s, CD was 90s in the 00s.
I think that there’s enough material there, even stuff like Zodiac that if Slash got into they could turn it into a UYI for 2020s. Slash and Duff will bring back the sound and Axl can still do his progressive, even understated stuff like Nothing and strokes of genius like Atlas, Soul Monster seems like it has that epic ness.
#422 Re: Guns N' Roses » Geraldo's eye on the vault.... » 300 weeks ago
Call me crazy but the more I hear from the vault, the less I want Slash and Duff's hands on it.
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I do realize them putting their touches on it is probably the only way it will ever be released so I'll take it....but holy shit....those early CD lineups really had something special in the tank and I really wish that Axl would've focused more on the harder edge material.
So Tommy was saying that after these 22 tracks that we are hearing now, there was material Fortus, DJ, Dizzy, whoever were working on too?
I don't consider anything that lineup worked on to be Chinese....and more than likely nothing came out of it anyways. Hell, Ron said the 2009-14 lineup did nothing but tour.
Well yes I wouldn’t call it Chinese. I’m not sure when CD II was considered done or finished. Or if these songs like Hardschool and Atlas are considered done. But anyway I think there was some more writing and recording that Fortus and Dizzy talked about, this was past CD II being finished. I think everything was backing into the mixer again. Old Slash riffs, Axl’s material.
I haven’t studied exactly the 4 discs. My impression is that it’s basically CD I, II, III, IV.
Disc 1 is Beavans version and most of those songs made it on CD.
Disc 2 - assume it’s CD II material like Shackkers, ITW, Sorry that made it on to CD. But it’s like Bucket working on songs from Beavan era.
Disc 3 - Basically Bucket’s CD III ideas and re-recording of some songs. With RTB.
Disc 4 - Assume more Bucket instrumentals. I’ve lost track but maybe Quick Song and Zodiac, Ides. Basically CD IV.
4 discs probably ends up being 3 full cd albums.
I agree it’s tricky one with how Slash etc takes on this material, especially the Bucket stuff. Let’s say he doesn’t. There’s kind of a Lies type album and a Instumental album there that kind of mirrors the post AFD era of Lies and Spaghetti. And there’s some purity to that.
If Slash does work on it then it’s stuff like Oklahoma, Hardschool, Atlas, Perhaps, that seem more in his wheel house. Possibly Zodiac and Quick Song, Elvis. Seems like Axl added vocals to Soul Monster. Which takes it back to Axl saying CD II was finished. Listening to Elvis and Zodiac I find it difficult to see how Slash could add parts, Buckets instrumentals are complete. It’s the more Axl songs that Slash could beef up and there’s still new material and how much Slash and Duff contribute songwriting wise. I expect Slash could re-record Oklahoma and Hardschool and write something new. It’s really how to fit Slash etc into a finished Soul Monster track. If you don’t you get more of a mix tape and if you do you might lose some Bucket magic.
I’d be tempted to leave a lot for the CD box set and take Hardschool and Atlas to the next album maybe Berlin and Soul Monster too. Perhaps is great too. Axl has this material now over Slash and Duff for Guns side. A cover maybe.
#423 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 1 » 300 weeks ago
Who are the monsters that voted Perhaps, Atlas, and TWAT?
I thought it was for favorite track and voted Atlas. Looks like Silkworms has gone anyway.
It’s hard hearing older versions of Twat or Madagascar. Someways a little fresher but the final studio versions are tighter overall. Atlas and Perhaps benefit from being new. I think Atlas probably is the best song from the CD era. Catcher, Madagascar always great.
Seems about right to lose Silk or Riad for the more full out songs.
#424 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 1 » 300 weeks ago
Dunno D1 is so lovable. I mean can almost see why whoever think “not GNR enough” and in a way it doesn’t have the full CD GNR experience, something bullet proof with the etc dimensions of Shacklers, Scraped, ITW and Sorry and and a much more fully realized sound - but shit D1 breathes and has something of that AFD energy, it still all there, it has that wtf addictive ness. But maybe too Axl centric, CD brings in Better and a more Nu Rock sound. But yeah back in 00 this could have been something. It’s not so much the songwriting it’s when it comes out, I just hope they can find space for Atlas, Perhaps - I mean there’s so much here.
#425 Re: Guns N' Roses » Geraldo's eye on the vault.... » 300 weeks ago
So Tommy was saying that after these 22 tracks that we are hearing now, there was material Fortus, DJ, Dizzy, whoever were working on too?
And Fortus also broadened the net to include older Guns material, talking about a Slash riff. Jackie Chan was maybe meant for a movie so that could be a Slash /Duff song.
I wonder how much they re-recorded these CD discs, some have new titles. Billionaire must have a vocal to become The General that Baz claimed to hear.
I’d like to hear the first Shackler demo and how unlike it is to the final version. Going through the full song writing process. Having Fortus or Axl adding parts for example. Re-recording was done under Costanzo which I always found insane.
Now will this current line up re-record some of this material or just some of it?It seems like a huge project to re-do. But I think Slash could pull material lke Hardschool, Atlas and Elvis together.
Atlas Shrugged should be on the next GNR album anyway. I’d say there’s a solid Roses GNR side there. Then let Slash and Duff do Side Guns.
#426 Re: Guns N' Roses » Who leaked these songs and why? » 300 weeks ago
I don’t know, but thankyouverynuch.
Mr. Pitman wit da towels yo
#427 Re: Guns N' Roses » As it began » 300 weeks ago
Yeah I think it’s there with Elvis and Zodiac as having potential. Nothing is like a Bowie sci-fi ballad.
#428 Re: Guns N' Roses » Extremely Dubious Fernando Reddit Account, Might Actually be Fernando » 300 weeks ago
I’m giving the new GNR album a Green N Red light.
Light em up!
#429 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Context of How Old Some of these Tracks Are » 300 weeks ago
Bucket being so ahead does make this stuff seem fresh, they don’t have the sound that dates them to the nu metal era. It has a 80s horror feel, but when it’s mixed with Axl’s piano/vocals. Even Bucket is bringing the Zepp on Quick Song. That jazzy interlude into the rocking bit is Zepp to Bungle. That weird organ is so Zepp. Elvis and Zodiac have this 90s movie soundtrack epic feel. Damn can’t believe how good all this is. With Hardschool and Oklahoma they are all set for Rocky 4 rockers. Perhaps, Nothing, Grace a lot of depth.
#430 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba Recalls GN'R Fans Insulting Him After Taking Slash's Position » 301 weeks ago
Slash is a freak. I’ll take freaks.
I just think there was a back lash again the 00 line up. Image wise, the nu metal thing. Ron and Dj brought it back to a little more hard rock. Slash is GNR template, the norm and default setting. The only case for not having Slash is these discs of experimentation. Every new member brought something new to GNR it just was not always industried.