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#4671 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise? Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.
It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...
You should have to get a license to have kids that says you are competent, attended a class, not on drugs, etc. too many people have kids that can't care for or afford them.
This is a real slippery slope:
1) Who licenses people for authorization to have a child?
2) I'm assuming the answer to this is the government with a strong influence from religion and other extreme conservatives.
I see two problems with this: First, isn't this just big government?
Second, if it is big government, then you conservatives will bitch and moan about the cost of big government...so we're back to square one.
Then again, conservatives have been applying drug tests to welfare recipients lately and even though the cost of doing so outweighs the benefit by leaps and bound. A failed drug test occurs somewhere between 1 and 4 percent of opportunities.
and I agree with the above statement....if there is a certification process for having children then shouldn't there be one for voting? Because I am pretty certain most Trump voters couldn't name the 3 branches of government. Once more, I can't believe how the Trump supporters can't see how they've been totally duped. He's already in process of telling you all to fuck off....it's like you all think there's a seat for you at Trump's table...it's just waiting for you to sit down. When in realilty, the second he won....he plugged in billionaire after billionaire, wall street chump after wall street chump, and announced that social programs that many of his supporters need and depend on are all but finished.
The swamp he's draining is YOU! Wake up! He has no use for you anymore!
#4672 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.
But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!
I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise? Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.
It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...
#4673 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.
But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!
#4674 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
But Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet and some of you are acting like it's 1929. A lot of dumb shit happened this week that haven't been appropriate to discuss.
He's already acting like the president...he's not even waiting. He negotiated with Carrier and he's not even sworn in yet. It doesn't make any sense. What he did to 'save' Carrier was the exact thing that he criticizes Obama/Dems of doing. He just does whatever the hell on a whim and I think it's a window into the future.
Look at the jack-assery he's planning for the inauguration.
I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.
And he's appointed Vince McMahon's wife to the cabinet!!!! It's not even funny anymore....he's a total buffoon.
I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.
Did anyone even care about that? Didn't Bob Dylan just blow them off? I didn't personally give him that award and in fact I had forgotten that it even happened...that's how little I cared.
#1 Ohio passing its retarded heart beat bill.
This is what happens when Republicans control all branches of the government...and there's more to come. These are the things that enrage me about Republicans. They get up in arms about people coming to this country from other places but when it comes to abortions, they all the sudden believe all life is precious....or is it just American lives?
I cannot believe....with all the things going on in the world that people have time to worry about other people having abortions. Why don't those people get jobs? Why doesn't anyone call those people lazy or call their behaviors atrocious like the people who protested after Trump won?
Doesn't anyone see the irony of the government getting involved to make choices for people - and the perpetrating party being Republicans? Could the Republicans possibly be this hypocritical?
#4675 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
The Democratic Party is still the party of the KKK and Jim Crow no matter how many times you put your fingers in your ear and shake your head no.
No you've lowered yourself....
You will not criticize Drumpf now matter what he does....being a fanboy does nothing...
#4676 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
Oh, I'm not upset at all. I would have hand picked her to stay if my opinion mattered. She's the worst choice for the Democratic party. It proves that nothing was learned and your party has now officially squandered everything it got in 2006 and 2008. 10 years of control that will soon be a foot note in American history.
Here are some things I learned:
1) Republicans have a great way of using information to divide people
2) The amazing hypocrisy of conservatives of the last eight years claiming they weren't up in arms for the last 8 years over the black man in the white house - then turning around and saying they didn't act like total bitches for eight years AND
3) Now Democrats are just supposed to accept the 'new era' without being upset....
4) We're all supposed to forget how pathetically the Republican controlled congress obstructed everything for the last 6 years and blame Obama for everything that has gone wrong.
5) While obstructing everything Obama wanted, Republicans bitched about his use of executive orders.
6) Republicans shut down the government TWICE in the last 4 years and you all thought it was cool....even when it damaged our economy and hurt our national credit rating.
7) I learned that Republicans can be hypercritical of any Democrat but turn a blind eye to a white man grabbin pussy and calling mexicans rapists
8) I learned that it doesn't matter HOW you get elected....all that matters is that you get elected.
9) I learned that it's okay to insult anyone as long as they are not a rich white man CEO/real estate mogul.
10) I learned that when you disagree with our new president, he has the time to tweet for hours on end...
11) I learned that it's okay for our president to insult the very people he is to represent.
12) I learned that the popular vote matters nothing when the winner of the EC doesn't win it.
13) I learned that 2.5 million votes don't matter
14) I learned that by getting rid of SS and privatizing Medicaid is all about helping out wall street people who don't give a shit about you
15) I learned that you can say and do anything during the campaign and not be held accountable within weeks of winning said election.
16) I learned you can back track on every promise and theme during campaigning and supporters don't care.
17) I learned that Americans love questionable, unethical business practices that include filing bankruptcy to get out of paying taxes.
18) I learned that hypocrisy is okay as long as you win.
19) I learned that it's more fun the demonize the minority than it is to unify people.
20) I learned that the theme of Republican politics is to pull the ladder up behind you (ie Paul Ryan who benefited from many social programs growing up).
All this comes from a business owner whose life will likely get better as a result the new Republican policies. At least financially. But ethically and morally...I feel we're on the door step of the promotion of selfishness and ridicule. The hooray for me and fuck you attitude is alive and well in America. The last thing I've learned is that, I guess we're proud of that.
How's that for slapping around some conservatives?
#4677 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
Supreme Court Justic Merrick Garland?
I'm not sure what your outraged about....opposing appointments or Nancy Pelosi...
#4678 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
misterID wrote:His supporters are ignorant knuckle draggers and deserve every bad thing the Pence administration will give them. Trump is playing the rubes, he actually has shown compassion to Hillary outside the moron fests of his rallies. Pence is 100% true blue right wing Christian crazy nut job, and appears to be in full control of the decision making. All the people getting positions are Pence people.
They are going to love the free range Paul Ryan gets to gut Medicare. While all these rubes are shouting about Hillary, they are slowly working on dismantling one of our most important safety nets for seniors. Trump supporters will be doctor shopping with vouchers all while their prostates are protruding out of their asses. They deserve it...the rest of us do not.
Trump said during his entire campaign that Hillary was "crooked" because of her alleged (never found guilty) inability to handle classified material. Then has Petraeus in the running for Secretary of State, who actually pled guilty and is currently still on probation...for mishandling classified material.
Trump and his cohorts bemoaned Hillary's speaking engagements with Goldman Sachs. But guess who Trump's Secretary of Treasury is? Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs.
Trump's charges against Hillary in regards to "crony capitalism" was core in his campaign as well. It should also be noted that this is a fundamental aspect of Republican dogma (especially over the last 8 years.) "Let the chips fall where they may." "Government doesn't create jobs." "Government doesn't pick winners and losers." But what is the first thing President elect Trump does, and the majority of Republicans cheer? He works out a "deal" with Carrier, using their parent company's government contracts as leverage. A deal that costs tax payers over 7 million dollars, although we still do not have all the details. Sure sounds like crony capitalism to me.
Trump also has a trillion dollar infrastructure stimulus in the works. They voted against that for 8 years. Want to guess what happens now that Trump is in the driver's seat?
Trump supporters are either acutely unaware of any of this, or simply don't care. My guess is a little bit of both. What I've seen here more than anything is that Trump can say/do anything, even literally change his stance mid sentence. They could care less. More than that are the conservative values they have claimed to hold so dear. None of that apparently matters anymore either. Carrier is a good example. His supporters don't see any hypocrisy on their end or Trump's. And Trump will use it again and again to show what a deal-maker he is and that he kept his campaign promises. None of the facts will matter, not one bit.
Smoking Guns wrote:I voted for Kasich but lately he has acted like a little bitch.
I'd say it was the other way around.
Kasich was the only Republican to show backbone and integrity. The rest loathed Trump, but fell in line like cowards rather than possibly alienate any of their constiuents.
I totally agree with this...it's way more difficult to stand with your principals than jump on the Trump bandwagon.
Even worse, that troll of a human being, Paul Ryan straddled the fence and jumped onto both sides of it before straddling the fence coming into the election.
Now that he benefits, he's all smiles. Now there's a man who stands for nothing.
#4679 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
misterID wrote:His supporters are ignorant knuckle draggers and deserve every bad thing the Pence administration will give them. Trump is playing the rubes, he actually has shown compassion to Hillary outside the moron fests of his rallies. Pence is 100% true blue right wing Christian crazy nut job, and appears to be in full control of the decision making. All the people getting positions are Pence people.
They are going to love the free range Paul Ryan gets to gut Medicare. While all these rubes are shouting about Hillary, they are slowly working on dismantling one of our most important safety nets for seniors. Trump supporters will be doctor shopping with vouchers all while their prostates are protruding out of their asses. They deserve it...the rest of us do not.
Trump said during his entire campaign that Hillary was "crooked" because of her alleged (never found guilty) inability to handle classified material. Then has Petraeus in the running for Secretary of State, who actually pled guilty and is currently still on probation...for mishandling classified material.
Trump and his cohorts bemoaned Hillary's speaking engagements with Goldman Sachs. But guess who Trump's Secretary of Treasury is? Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs.
Trump's charges against Hillary in regards to "crony capitalism" was core in his campaign as well. It should also be noted that this is a fundamental aspect of Republican dogma (especially over the last 8 years.) "Let the chips fall where they may." "Government doesn't create jobs." "Government doesn't pick winners and losers." But what is the first thing President elect Trump does, and the majority of Republicans cheer? He works out a "deal" with Carrier, using their parent company's government contracts as leverage. A deal that costs tax payers over 7 million dollars, although we still do not have all the details. Sure sounds like crony capitalism to me.
Trump also has a trillion dollar infrastructure stimulus in the works. They voted against that for 8 years. Want to guess what happens now that Trump is in the driver's seat?
Trump supporters are either acutely unaware of any of this, or simply don't care. My guess is a little bit of both. What I've seen here more than anything is that Trump can say/do anything, even literally change his stance mid sentence. They could care less. More than that are the conservative values they have claimed to hold so dear. None of that apparently matters anymore either. Carrier is a good example. His supporters don't see any hypocrisy on their end or Trump's. And Trump will use it again and again to show what a deal-maker he is and that he kept his campaign promises. None of the facts will matter, not one bit.
Smoking Guns wrote:I voted for Kasich but lately he has acted like a little bitch.
I'd say it was the other way around.
Kasich was the only Republican to show backbone and integrity. The rest loathed Trump, but fell in line like cowards rather than possibly alienate any of their constiuents.
I cannot even begin to understand the complexity of what Paul Ryan is proposing at the moment.
Hypothetical though: what if Medicaid was abolished and the money used to fund it was some how used to subsidize private health insurance.
#4680 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:That would rob them of anything from Media Matters, Salon, HuffPo, Vox and MotherJones to name a few. Then any of their random OpEd pieces where some parent who promised their child the world is now in tears and telling their kid to stay strong as they're sent to Auschwitz.
This is absurd RF...you were posting plenty of fake news and even blogs last summer.
I think it's time we all take responsibility.
I don't recall linking blogs outside of Coulter and I don't think I've ever linked to a questionable news source for the same reasons mentioned above. And I'm not saying that anything on Salon is automatically false. But when your only support that Bannon is a member of the alt-right is a reporter from Mother Jones, that doesn't pass the legitimacy test to me.
The only bullshit news I've fallen victim to and a good friend called me out were the claims of Democrats paying protesters. Plenty of evidence to show Unions doing that, but not a single piece of evidence tying it to the Democratic party.
Well let me try and be a good friend and say that we all let our strongest beliefs blind us into believing things that aren't true...
I'm just saying that we owe it to each other and ourselves to make sure we know what we're saying is based on truth.
