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#4891 Guns N' Roses » Federal Prosecutors Want Prison For Kevin Cogill » 921 weeks ago

AtariLegend
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Feds Demand Prison for Guns N' Roses Uploader

Federal prosecutors in Los Angeles are pursuing a 6-month prison term for a Los Angeles man who pleaded guilty in December to one misdemeanor count of uploading pre-release Guns N' Roses tracks, according to court documents.

Kevin Cogill was arrested last summer at gunpoint and charged with uploading nine tracks of the Chinese Democracy album to his music site — antiquiet.com. The album, which cost millions and took 17 years to complete, was released November 23 and reached No. 3 in the charts.

The sentence being sought — including the calculation of damages based on the illegal activity of as many as 1,310 websites that disseminated the music after Cogill released it — underscores how serious the government is about punishing those for uploading pre-release material.

"Making a pre-release work available to the worldwide public over the internet where it can be copied without limit is arguably one of the more insidious forms of copyright infringement," prosecutor Craig H. Missakian wrote in court documents. "That is because once released it is virtually impossible to prevent unlimited dissemination of the work."

As part of the 28-year-old Cogill's guilty plea, he informed the authorities that he received the music online and unsolicited — a confession Missakian said might pave the way for more "targets" to be prosecuted.

"Needless to say, artists like the band Guns N' Roses put their blood, sweat, toil and tears into the creative process," Missakian said. "And this country has seen fit to protect their rights — and in doing so foster and encourage the creative process by which all of society benefits."

The government claimed the amount of infringement equaled $371,622. The higher the number the larger the potential prison term. The government said it produced a "reasonable estimate" and gave the defendant the "benefit of the doubt" in its calculations, which were based on each infringement being worth 99 cents on iTunes.

The Recording Industry Association of America, however, told the judge overseeing the case that the defendant's conduct resulted in more than a $2.2 million loss based on a "$6.39 legitimate wholesale value" for the nine tracks the RIAA claims (.pdf) were downloaded about 350,000 times.

Regardless of the phantom figures, the numbers floated by the government and the RIAA assume that the music would have been purchased had it not been downloaded for free.

Here's how the feds concluded the $371,622 in damages:

They said the music was streamed from Cogill's site 1,123 times to 801 IP addresses over a two-hour period. The authorities, based on a "conservative estimate," concluded nearly 400,000 downloads.

"This number is based on a sample of 30 out of 1,310 unauthorized web sites that offered the leaked songs to the public between June 19, 2008 and November 21, 2008," Missakian wrote.(.pdf) "Of the 1,310 web sites identified as having unauthorized copies of the music that defendant streamed, 30 of those contained information showing the number of downloads from their sites."

Of those 30 sites, the government said there were 16,976 downloads of Chinese Democracy.

"It is most likely that this number represents the number of downloads of the group of 9 leaked songs, for a total of 152,784 downloads of individual songs (16,976 x 9)," Missakian wrote. "It is, however, not possible to say at this time whether the figure represents the group of 9 songs or individual songs. Giving the defendant the benefit of the doubt, the government will assume that the 16,976 figure represents downloads of individual songs."

But wait, the prosecution wrote more:

    In addition to the above number, the Court should also add an additional number for the number of downloads from the remaining 1,200-plus web sites that offered the songs for download. The average number of downloads from the 30 sites for which actual data exists is 565. Again, giving the defendant the benefit of the doubt, the Court could reduce that number by one half and estimate that each other site accounted for 280 individual downloads, or a total of 358,400 (1,310-30 x 280), during the relevant period. By taking the total number of downloads of 375,376 (16,976 +358,400) and multiplying that number by $.99 per song downloaded, the infringement about becomes $371,622.

According to court records, Cogill uploaded nine songs from the 14-track album on June 18. Court records show he confessed to the FBI. The case was cracked by an investigator with the Recording Industry Association of America, according to court records.

Cogill's attorney, David Kaloyanides, told the court that no jail time was warranted. (.pdf) He added that, "There is no way to determine how many downloads were made."

Sentencing is set for May 4.

By the way, the RIAA said it would be willing to accept $30,000, instead of $2.2 million in restitution, if Cogill "was willing to participate in a public service announcement designed to educate the public that music piracy is illegal."

Source: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/f...demand-6-m.html

#4892 Re: GN'R Downloads » Riad N' The Bedouins Live at Pukkelpop 2002 » 921 weeks ago

Boston - Was one of their best shows and best soundboards this decade.

I don't think they played "Ryiad" at that show.

#4893 Re: The Sunset Strip » Neemo's Battle of the Tunes » 921 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

i figured hunky dory was some weird aerosmith fanboy slang for dream on

Neemo you really need to get that album, Axl even mentions it as one of his biggest inspiration or favourite albums in the Mick Wall book.

"Changes" and "Life On Mars" are as classic as any tracks you'll hear.

#4894 Re: The Sunset Strip » Neemo's Battle of the Tunes » 921 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

Dream On wins 5-1

4-2

Sorry, for not being clear enough in my "Ziggy Startdust & The Spiders From Mars" vote.


"Mama I'm Coming Home"

#4895 Re: The Sunset Strip » Neemo's Battle of the Tunes » 921 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Tough one. Dream On.

18 Yeah Right. tongue

"Hunky Dory" owns "Ziggy Stardust".

#4896 Re: The Garden » Fantasy Wrestling II » 921 weeks ago

You can take Ds place. After Axl Schwarzenegger, so the game is fair.

                                              BLS-Pride
                                         2008 Intentions
                                                  Rex
                                        Communist China
                                            AtariLegend
                                           James Lofton
                                               Slashfro
                                      Axl Schwarzenegger


2008 Intentions has 18 hours.

Roster:

RAW

Beth Phoenix, Candice, Charlie Haas, Chris Jericho, C.M. Punk, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Goldust, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jamie Noble, JBL (Intercontinental Champion), Jillian, John Cena, JTG, Kane, Kelly Kelly, Kofi Kingston, Layla, Melina (Womens Champion), Mickie James, Mike Knox,  Randy Orton, Rosa Mendes, Santino Marella, Shad, Sim Snuka, Ted DiBiase Jr., William Regal

Inactive/Non-Wrestling:

Batista, Jerry Lawler, Lilian Garcia, Linda McMahon, Michael Cole,
Mr. McMahon, Rey Mysterio, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, Shane McMahon, Stephanie McMahon

ECW

Alicia Fox, Christian, DJ Gabriel, Evan Bourne, Finlay, Jack Swagger, John Morrison (World Tag Team Champion), Katie Lea Burchil, Mark Henry, Matt Striker, Paul Burchill, Ricky Ortiz, The Miz (World Tag Team Champion), Tiffany, Tommy Dreamer, Tyson Kidd

Inactive/Non-Wreslting:

Hornswoggle (Cruiser Weight Champion), Theodore Long, Todd Grisham, Tony Atlas, Tony Chimel

SmackDown!

Big Show, Brie Bella, Carlito (WWE Tag Team Champion), Chavo Guerrero, Curt Hawkins, DH Smith, Edge (World Heavyweight Champion), Eve, Festus, Hurricane Helms, Jeff Hardy, Jesse, Jimmy Wang Yang, Kung Fu Naki, Maria, Maryse (Divas Champion), Matt Hardy, Michelle McCool, Montel Vontavious Porter, Mr. Kennedy, Natalya, Nikki Bella, Primo (WWE Tag Team Champion), R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin (United States Champion), The Brian Kendrick, The Great Khali, Triple H (WWE Champion), Undertaker, Vladimir Kozlov, Zack Ryder

Inactive/Non-Wrestling:

Ezekiel Jackson, Jim Ross, Justin Roberts, Ranjin Singh, Tazz, Umaga, Vickie Guerrero

Other/Unavailable:


Released/Unavailable:


Jobbers/Unavailable


Current Participants:

BLS-Pride: Shawn Micheals
2008 Intentions:
Communist China:
AtariLegend:
James Lofton:
Slashfro:
Axl Schwarzenegger:
Rex:

#4897 Re: The Garden » Fantasy Wrestling II » 921 weeks ago

Thanks to "Neemo" this is the order we will be drafting in.

                                              BLS-Pride
                                         2008 Intentions
                                                  -D- <Not Playing>
                                        Communist China
                                            AtariLegend
                                           James Lofton
                                               Slashfro
                                      Axl Schwarzenegger

Everyone has a maximum of 24hrs per a draft. Miss 3 drafts and you're out of the game.

BLS it's your turn first, you can select anyone on this list;


Roster:

RAW

Beth Phoenix, Candice, Charlie Haas, Chris Jericho, C.M. Punk, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Goldust, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jamie Noble, JBL (Intercontinental Champion), Jillian, John Cena, JTG, Kane, Kelly Kelly, Kofi Kingston, Layla, Melina (Womens Champion), Mickie James, Mike Knox,  Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Rosa Mendes, Santino Marella, Shad, Shawn Michaels, Sim Snuka, Ted DiBiase Jr., William Regal

Inactive/Non-Wrestling:

Batista, Jerry Lawler, Lilian Garcia, Linda McMahon, Michael Cole,
Mr. McMahon, Rey Mysterio, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, Shane McMahon, Stephanie McMahon

ECW

Alicia Fox, Christian, DJ Gabriel, Evan Bourne, Finlay, Jack Swagger, John Morrison (World Tag Team Champion), Katie Lea Burchil, Mark Henry, Matt Striker, Paul Burchill, Ricky Ortiz, The Miz (World Tag Team Champion), Tiffany, Tommy Dreamer, Tyson Kidd

Inactive/Non-Wreslting:

Hornswoggle (Cruiser Weight Champion), Theodore Long, Todd Grisham, Tony Atlas, Tony Chimel

SmackDown!

Big Show, Brie Bella, Carlito (WWE Tag Team Champion), Chavo Guerrero, Curt Hawkins, DH Smith, Edge (World Heavyweight Champion), Eve, Festus, Hurricane Helms, Jeff Hardy, Jesse, Jimmy Wang Yang, Kung Fu Naki, Maria, Maryse (Divas Champion), Matt Hardy, Michelle McCool, Montel Vontavious Porter, Mr. Kennedy, Natalya, Nikki Bella, Primo (WWE Tag Team Champion), R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin (United States Champion), The Brian Kendrick, The Great Khali, Triple H (WWE Champion), Undertaker, Vladimir Kozlov, Zack Ryder

Inactive/Non-Wrestling:

Ezekiel Jackson, Jim Ross, Justin Roberts, Ranjin Singh, Tazz, Umaga, Vickie Guerrero

Other/Unavailable:


Released/Unavailable:


Jobbers/Unavailable


Current Participants:

BLS-Pride:
2008 Intentions:
Communist China:
AtariLegend:
James Lofton:
Slashfro:
Axl Schwarzenegger:

#4898 Re: The Sunset Strip » Megadeth » 921 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:
AtariLegend wrote:

Apart from "Estranged", "A Tout Le Monde" is my favourite track of any artist, but it's on a tedious tedious album.

really? i think that youthanasia is a pretty solid disk hmm

Speaking of that, when I went to college, I knew someone who though "Victory" was Megadeths best track.. 16.

#4899 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR holding audititons for a replacement for Robin? » 921 weeks ago

madagas wrote:

Estranged is the shit...all Gnr fans know that. Somebody needs to start a discussion going on the Axl piano epics. Only use Estranged, Breakdown, TIL, and NR....those four because those 4 are the only piano Axl tracks where he gets sole writing credits. TWAT and Prostitute have co-writers so don't include them.

"Estranged" wins every time, I love those other songs, but I'd almost rather have "Estranged" than "Appetite For Destruction".

...I'm deadly serious.

#4900 Re: The Sunset Strip » Megadeth » 921 weeks ago

1: Countdown To Extinction
2: Cryptic Writings
3: Rust In Peace
4: Peace Sells...
5: United Abominations
6: The System Has Failed
7: So Far, So Good, So What?
8: Youthanasia
9: Risk

Apart from "Estranged", "A Tout Le Monde" is my favourite track of any artist, but it's on a tedious tedious album.

For some reason I never got around to getting "The World Needs a Hero".

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