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#621 Re: The Sunset Strip » Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED » 923 weeks ago
by no means am i saying that jim martin is even in the same league as patton....
he's not exactly a brilliant or gifted musician... and i agree that they took more chances after he left....shit... i've never even HEARD martin's solo album.. and i can guess what it sounds like....
i think that FNM brought out the best in him.. even if he didn't care for some of the music.. the music he made with them was, IMO the best they made.. he was also just as important as anyone in creating what i believe to be their signature sound... without him... FNM sounded like any other patton project
..and CC...
that fortune cookie would've made my MONTH
Yeah, I don't even remember how I came across the Martin album to be honest. But I had to have it because it has a version of Surprise! You're Dead on it. And I thought Oh shit, Jim was the metal guy in FNM that's gotta be HEAVY.
We're basically saying the same thing, but looking at it from different ways. Angeldust is my favorite FNM album too, but I look at the later albums as more "creative".
And Like Bri said, the guitar wasn't a lot of the sound of FNM, all due respect to Patton, but the three guys that were there the whole time make up the sound to me, it was there in a large way before Patton and was still there after Martin left. It was altered, given, but it was there.
#622 Re: The Garden » Toilet Paper Said to Be Worse for Environment Than Hummers » 923 weeks ago
The forestry industry plants tons of trees. Otherwise they wouldn't stay in business. They're not just decimating an area then moving on to a new one. That arguement has driven me nuts for a long time.
Plus my triple ply feels so damn good.
#623 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Revisiting Slash's Snakepit » 923 weeks ago
5 oclock is one of my all time fave albums so this is a bit of a shock for me
I think that might be why so many people have issues with Ain't Life Grand. You go in liking the 1st album, and it ends up being an entire different beast. Whereas 5 O'Clock is as close to what a Guns album without Axl's input would sound like, ALG is about as experimental as Slash gets, with a little more funk influence in places etc.
Similiarly, I understand why so many people aren't into new-GNR, it's sorta the same thing. If you liked GNR mostly for the 80's-ish hard rock aspects, then Chinese Democracy isn't necessarily for you.
#624 Re: The Sunset Strip » Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED » 923 weeks ago
i think it's his unique playing ( unique as far as FNM guitarists go) that sells TRT and AD for me.... that thrashy snapping guitar with some sack...
i'm sure he wanted a more metallic sound for that record like the sound on TRT... but he ended up losing the war to patton's vision(s)... the other guys knew patton was the meal ticket in the band and didn't wanna alienate him... so out went martin... and in walked patton's boy from mr bungle...the real thing was written (at least musically) before patton came on board.. you can see the huge difference stylistically on AD because of patton's influence... but there's no doubt that him and martin clashed when it came to how they wanted the band to sound... jim liked it old school... any fan of mike knows that he likes to "experiment"...in fact.. if you pay attention to some of the lyrics on AD ... you can tell some of them are aimed at martin....but you have trey spruance or jon hudson playing guitar on those records... and the magic of them disappears.. there i go.. rambling again.... i don't even know why i care.. they ain't playing in the states anyway...
That experimenting that you talked about is exactly what I meant when I said that the later albums are more creative. I look at the experimentation as being more creative than keeping it old school.
I have Jim Martin's solo album, because I was looking for an FNM-ish sound but heavier. There ain't a lot of creativity there. It's not bad I guess, but it ain't real good either.
#625 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose Insists Original Guns N' Roses Lineup Is Dead and Buried » 923 weeks ago
DCK wrote:I am so disgusted my favorite band ever has a fucking dooshe bag pussy as the frontman/leader.
No offense mate, but if I felt that strongly about the frontman in my favorite band, I would part ways with the term "favorite band" and find a new one. It's beginning to be a cliche in GNR world to use the argument, but it still stands.
If I thought Axl was such an asshole, I wouldn't bother. He would simply annoy me too much to be into it.
I separate Art from the Artist. The Art makes it worth it, doesn't mean I like it. He used to be such a badass... Not so much anymore.
Nope, I'm pretty sure he's always been the way he is. You just know more about it now in the internet/24 hour news cycle world we live in.
#626 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose Insists Original Guns N' Roses Lineup Is Dead and Buried » 923 weeks ago
GNR is NIN now. This is the second interview where he pretty much admits this, so any aspect of this being a 'band' environment should be tossed out the window. I have nothing against it being NIN and have said it should be marketed as such for years, but maybe now various nutswingers will stop proclaiming GNR is a band like they used to be years ago. They aren't, and the man himself admits it.
I thought the same thing reading it, but I also kinda get the feeling if Axl were directly asked even after saying the things that he did, he would have said, "No, we're a band. We're just a band with two drummers and I'm not real sure who the guitar players are."
#627 Re: The Sunset Strip » Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED » 923 weeks ago
Communist China wrote:Everyone knows Jim had very little to do with Angel Dust. Almost all interviews about say his only real writing contribution was Jizzlobber, which is a good song, but from what I can tell he didn't like the album.
I'm not a FNM nutswinger, but that argument falls a bit flat to me. I know you like Down on the Upside, but do you consider Thayil irrelevant to that record even though his only true contribution to the record was 'Never the Machine Forever'?
Obviously Thayil was being pushed aside(and I assume Martin was as well), but its not really fair to basically consider him irrelevant at that point.
Martin wasn't irrelevant to the album, but there's not a ton of guitars on it, and he didn't seem to like it very much. He spent a lot of time bitching about it when they were doing promo for it.
Your point about him being pushed aside might be valid, but FNM as a whole was pretty volatile for their enrire career.
And I'll echo exacty what CC said earlier, I'd love to see it be Martin, but not at the expense of not hearing anything from those later albums.
#628 Re: The Sunset Strip » Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED » 923 weeks ago
jim martin was a vital piece in what is universally agreed upon as their creative "peak".... i know it sounds a little "bring back slash"... but i'm not nearly as stoked about it as i would be if martin were involved.. it's a cash grab with an anonymous guitar player IMO...
Commercial peak, absolutely. But I would say the albums after he left were much more "creative".
#629 Re: The Sunset Strip » Def Leppard Unveils Summer Tour With Cheap Trick, Poison » 923 weeks ago
I saw Poison way back in the day, probably 88 or 89. Warrant opened. Ha, what a great show. Just fun. It's harmless fun. Ain't hurting anyone.
That is probably the perfect way to put it.
I really don't understand how people get worked up enough to love them or hate them either one.
I feel the exact same way about Nickelback now.
Anything special... No... but I don't get what so many people seem to hate so much.
#630 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash's Favorite Guitar Riffs » 924 weeks ago
I'm never gonna ask again why Slash sticks with his sound.
Honestly, I saw you and some other people questioning that in the other thread a week or so ago(or whenever the hell that was).
I know the phrase "comfort zone" was being used at the time, and I remember thinking Slash just would never even consider going in the directions getting talked about because it's just not something he's into.
But I was about 4 pages late to the party and didn't want to just re-hash.
I can completely respect the talent of guys like Buckethead, but riffs like the ones he mentions are the ones that really turn me on too.
