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#661 Re: Guns N' Roses » In Defence of... ChiDem2 » 602 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

It was a NIN crew playground.

There was Sean Beavan, fresh off replacing Trent Reznor as the producer of the All-American Antichrist, Marilyn Manson, culling an impressive glam-rock album out of Mechanical Animals. Engineering was done by Critter, a former Chicago Trax Records employee, who ran the tape when Al Jourgensen of Ministry stated that Jesus built his hotrod. Guitars were naturally twanged by the NIN lead guitarist, Robin Finck, iconographised in a mud-soaked, vicious live performance in Woodstock '94. Fittingly, he was found in a circus. Matt Sorum pointed him out to Axl and name-dropped him as Reznor's top dog. Axl went hmmmm and Matt's bigged his role in the story ever since Robin was hired.

Chris Vrenna from NIN had been jamming with Dave Abbruzesse from Pearl Jam. They both played drums. Axl played guitar, powerchords while shoegazing. He was compensating on the self-admitted lack of skill by following on the heels of, say, Kevin Shields from My Bloody Valentine, who currently uses about 30 pedals on stage to achieve a distinct sound.

Of Axl's guitar setup, [Dave] Abbruzzese recalls, "You could hunt buffalo with his rig. It had a lot of lights, a lot of blinking lights, a lot of things that you stepped on. It sounded like a freight train that was somehow playable." (Rolling Stone, 05/11/00)

Tape was rolling. ChiDem, The Blues, If the World, TWAT, Riad, IRS, Maddy, Prostitute... Atlas Shrugged, the glam-rock November Rain. Which insinuates a song on the long side with orchestration. And a Brian May solo. (Fear not. Ron's said he's done some work on it since.)

There were also the more experimental bits. Silk Worms. Oklahoma, an instrumental musing on how Axl reflected those killed in the bombing while sitting across the desk of the original Sweet Child, Erin Everly. In a divorce litigation. He was blown both financially and emotionally, and could relate to those losing their loved ones in an abrupt and horrific manner.

That's not a very industrial album, Axl. OMG, produced in the same era, fits that bill. SCOM from the rerecorded AFD doesn't. Axl was saying OMG was on the more industrial end of the song spectrum, but the song grew to represent the entire album, and with the above songs in question, the description doesn't really do justice to them. But couple that with the crew with those above resumes, and you get where the 'indstrial' Guns album actually comes from, as without actually hearing the material, it can be argued such a thing was a media concotion.

That killed the mood.

Had Robin Williams reintroduced Guns to Hollywood audiences with TIL, Axl would've garnered a lasting merit for his vocal performance. The song would've been a fair-game indicator of the musical direction Guns were pursuing. The songwriting was five years old, something Axl had tinkered on during the Roman holidays of a concert tour; The UYI were so big, even his work-in-progress was a rough-cut diamond, dished out coyishly in grand piano sessions in the studio, and perhaps even on private gatherings.

It's said the director snubbed the song. By the music supervisor. The director is perhaps best remembered as the predecessor to David Fincher on Alien 3. The musical supervisor is now the head of music for Disney/ABC TV Group. Guns' previous soundtrack inclusion, Sympathy for the Devil, was handed-down to the film by David Geffen, bumping the pencilled-down contribution by Gene Loves Jezebel off the list. This was when Geffen was heaving for a new Guns album. The director said no, all else sighed. Oh, really?

The music supervisor meant to say, 'We wanted to have it. Desperately. From a promotional standpoint, the press on the film would've been huge. Axl saw the film and said no. That's something even the studio can't touch. His contract is air-tight.'

Jimmy Iovine decided the raw sound was bad for the album. Said Tommy. Iovine didn't get May to do Catcher and Atlas, or Bucket for If the World and Maddy. Axl was veering away from the Robin sound as his Randy Rhodes bit the hand and went back to Trent. Axl felt had. As if Robin had been in the ChiDem odyssey for a laugh. But seriously, would Robin really had left Guns for NIN if the album release would've been only months away? (Sure. He's done that since.)

It all went more 'classic rock' since, right? Because of Roy Thomas Baker, producer of Bohemian Rhapsody. Only that was in 1975, and at the dawn of the millenia it was actually hard to find any of his later work anywhere near as relevant. Unless you count the debut of Osbourne/Wylde on Ozzy's No Rest for the Wicked. Oops, that was in 1988.

Jimmy Iovine brought him to Axl, they said. Not bad for Jimmy to get a has-been (at least, from a commercial point of view) to be the next producer on the label's megastar. Axl must've been easy, given the RTB-handled Queen II is one of his all-time favorites. RTB walked in mere months after Brian May. Like Sean Beavan followed Robin Finck in. Another round of happy co-incidences, anyone?

I get home at about 2:00 in the morning and from 2:00 until 4:00 in the morning I sit at my laptop, cut up all my beats, make more beats, more sounds, and then bring them into the producer and say, 'Hey, check this out. Are you into this?' (Brain, 2001)

All those beats and sounds Brain worked on with his Giant Robot collaborator, Pete Scaturro. A whole batch of new songs came out, readied with Buckethead guitarring. Shackler, Sorry, Jackie Chan (née Checkmate)... The General, which comes with a slow, grinding riff and an orchestration with a Hollywood battle sequence prelude flair to it. Meaning it uses big ominous sounds next to small ominous sounds. Human hyperbole Sebastian Bach said The General was an Estranged sequel. Which would make it the fourth song in the fifth part of a trilogy.

That's not a very classic rock album, Axl. (Also, there was Soul Monster (neé Leave Me Alone), with the vocals for the bridge recorded on a Christmas Eve, and Axl having a particularly Grinch moment. I can just see the sound engineers wearing elf hats.)

To put a word on it, I'd surmise ChiDem2 as having a sprawling, stylized number like NR or TWAT (Atlas), along with a few stronger Bucket/Brain songs. Regardless of what the rest of the album would be like, I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss those three tracks as leftovers, rather than the ones left behind, waiting for the rapture to return.

One day, it may.

Quick Song and Zodiac were on the same tapes as Atlas Shrugged, they will feature on the next album unless removed by newly written music

Catcher in the Rye was a last minute decision for CD.

#662 Re: Guns N' Roses » CD II info and potential release and tour plans in 2015-16 » 602 weeks ago

The prospective tour dates are possibilities

The album release date is a guess by the OP. The band have the potential to release a new album fairly quickly. The reason I said no album this year was because of the tour plans up until Las Vegas, which were in support of CD.

I will post in January as to the prospects of a new album, and if it is coming, we will do our Splat thing here for a year or two

#663 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron leaving the band after Vegas? » 605 weeks ago

Ron is not leaving unless Axl gets fed up with his antics, and Axl likes Ron, so I cannot see this going anywhere too quickly

As I said earlier on, no new album this year. I knew the touring was ending, but it is not turning into anything positive

Band member pressure is the key to a new album release, I cannot see it happening otherwise

#664 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron leaving the band after Vegas? » 614 weeks ago

The shadow of AFD has killed GN'R in many ways. The record company, some management staff, 95% of promoters and a lot of the fans, they have stepped in the way of progress, which has stepped in the way of the big reunion at a decent time where it would have been credible.

Axl will never go back until he has completed his process of going forward. If the world had left him be, you would have had your three album CD project, then probably a Rewind type tour with original members.

Axl is on a mission to complete whatever it is he wants to do, and the longer that takes, the less likely any Rewind type scenario is going to happen.

#665 Re: Management » Hey guys... » 633 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
sp1at wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

By 2008 are you saying the RosesofVelvet thing?   Just wondering.  Yeah, I always thought more of an open ended topic might be cool.   One thing I always really wondered was who Darknemus [sp?] was over at HTGTH??   I remember he was a bit incosistant with his news & updates now & then, but on the other hand he did have the presale links.  So he had to be tied into the music industry somehow.  Did any word ever leak about that over there, as to what he did?

Check out https://myspace.com/darknemus

Darknemus, otherwise known as Craig, was a network engineer from Florida who pretended to be Axl many years ago. I believe he started out hoaxing GN'R fans for a little while. Then when he got bored of that, he carried on posting normally, but was known sometimes to involve himself with potential leaks and general troublemaking on occasion. It was all harmless fun

He was not part of the Hammerstein presale though

OK, you're right. I just checked and it was Mysteron, not Darknemus.  Maybe I'm mixing up the two, so many years ago!   Did anything ever come out who he was?  I thought one of these guys also leaked like the first 3 of the songs.  Rumor was they had access to it.  Maybe I'm wrong on my details tho.

Mysteron worked with, rather than for, Sanctuary in the 80s, and helped Merck and the forums during the Merck era until that ended. Not alot more to add there really.

As for leaking songs, I do not know who you speak of. It was decidedly easy during the 90s to pick up GN'R out takes at some studios if you had half a brain and you lived in LA and other areas where Guns recorded. It was a case of being there though.

#666 Re: Management » Hey guys... » 633 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

It's kind of crazy that it still exists. Especially considering the whole issue surrounding about 2008. What do you think?

By 2008 are you saying the RosesofVelvet thing?   Just wondering.  Yeah, I always thought more of an open ended topic might be cool.   One thing I always really wondered was who Darknemus [sp?] was over at HTGTH??   I remember he was a bit incosistant with his news & updates now & then, but on the other hand he did have the presale links.  So he had to be tied into the music industry somehow.  Did any word ever leak about that over there, as to what he did?

Check out https://myspace.com/darknemus

Darknemus, otherwise known as Craig, was a network engineer from Florida who pretended to be Axl many years ago. I believe he started out hoaxing GN'R fans for a little while. Then when he got bored of that, he carried on posting normally, but was known sometimes to involve himself with potential leaks and general troublemaking on occasion. It was all harmless fun

He was not part of the Hammerstein presale though

#667 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Axls Statement on Buckethead 2004 » 633 weeks ago

Axl needs people around him who do not agree with him. Axl has to be challenged and cornered for new releases. You would hope at his age he would have learned this by now. If it does not happen people eventually leave or get fed up.

For touring, the current yes team is obviously ok, but it is not the push forward Axl needs.

UYI and CD were forced releases. Who or what is going to force Axl's hand now?

#668 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR to headline 2014 Rock on the Range » 634 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

They did Rocklahoma last year, I believe.

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Yeah, it is series of festivals that are linked

Worth looking out for this year and any year going forward if you are tracking dates

#669 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR to headline 2014 Rock on the Range » 634 weeks ago

Rock on the Range is part of a series of festivals run by AEG. Bands that play this festival very often go on to play the other festivals. Therefore, GN'R could potentially play

Carolina Rebellion: May 3 & 4 in Charlotte, N.C.
Rocklahoma: May 23, 24 & 25 in Pryor, Okla.
RockFest: May 31 in Kansas City, Mo.

It might not happen, but it is something to keep an eye on.

#670 Re: Guns N' Roses » sp1at thread » 635 weeks ago

Will wrote:
sp1at wrote:

No GN'R album this year unless circumstances propel it. A mid 2015 release is looking likely

I know you have a reputation as being an insider so this is kinda disheartening if true sad Seems like neither Axl or the label cares to put out a GNR album anytime soon, and given the state of the music industry I can't say I really blame either of them.

Axl's probably making more money from touring than he would from an album release, and the label are happy to not put out an album just so as to keep Axl under contract awaiting their not in this lifetime reunion album.

I'd be as happy as a pig in shit if I could just pay $0.99, just once, and legally download just one new song from GN'R 16 At least we know Guns might play 2-3 new songs on their next tour, but I'm expecting only 2 songs - Going Down and acoustic Better - and they're not new if you're a downloading motherfucker like me (and the rest of the Evo/MSL/MyGNR/HTGTH members!)

I've got my fingers crossed that Izzy puts out an album this year, seems to make the years waiting for GNR releases a little easier, for me anyway izzy

Something different may happen, but I am not wanting to chase shadows if nothing is happening.

It is feasible that promotion of something new could happen this year with touring, and there may be news of some recording taking place later in the year. So there is alot to look out for.

Remember that there is another albums worth of material near recorded, info from yesteryear, so anything is possible. There was enough material for a trilogy of albums, but some tracks were still unworked. 'Ides of March' was a loop written by Dizzy and was one of the unworked tracks for the third album. There will also be offered tracks by DJ and Bumblefoot which could feature on forthcoming releases.

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