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#751 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
What Divney said? Searched the whole topic, found nothing!
>.<
#752 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
Hey all, been out of touch for a while trying to take care of my own life stuff, that douche posting a personal convo prompted me to get back in touch with the world....
I joked about a montage video (with an 'lol') and told the kid to stop bothering me with his complaints, to address them to GNR management, and to leave me alone about it during my time off. Wasn't a serious thing.... (and not our first convo.....) Then to post it weeks later and try and turn fans against me and get 5 seconds of attention... wuuudever.
I've been very grumpy. I won't get into details, I'll just say that's *over*. No more grumpy.
Fuck johndivney.
Looking forward to seeing you all soon
Any chatting I do from here on will be at gunsnroses.com - we have our own chat now, that's where you'll find me.
Take care!
Ron
Nice one.. Everybody's entitled to be grumpy and exposing a private chat convo is lame, in every way you look...
You should come and chat with us! Can I gather and filter questions from folks around here and do a GNREvo interview with you? 
#753 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
What is this South America documentary mentioned on the supposed chat?
#754 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
Honestly, how many times can we have the same discussion? It is what it is and all responsibility starts at the top. Everything could have worked out better had Axl made better decisions on almost every level. You can't un-do the past. The only thing that matters is tomorrow.
I agree on so many levels that, once highlighted, I'll shut the fuck up! 
#755 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
ottosporteman wrote:2002 was the first wave of heat, of haters and the "they aren't Slash" bashing. It was much smaller in 2006 (even with Robin) and way Smaller in 2012.
But that's my point.
2002 = Guys who don't look at all rock - Robin as a goth and Bucket as..well...a scarecrow or whatever he is. Two guys who don't look at ALL like GNR and who also SOUND nothing like GNR. People complained.
2006 = Robin clearly playing better than in 2002. Robin looks like a rocker. Bucket not there. Bumble looks like a rocker. Bumble plays bucket's parts with a more sleazy rock feel (well considering he's a technical shredder at heart anyway). People complained less.
2012 = DJ in the band. Looks like an 80s rocker, stage blocking of slash, plays in Slash's style. People complain less again.
Bottom line is people wanted GNR to look and sound like GNR. And that's not what any of the new GNR line ups have really done.
Bucket was also a problem but one freak a band can maybe stomach especially cos he brought stuff to the table in that even if you want to hate him - it's clear he has shred chops better than most - it earns some respect.
But Robin's skills are all in areas not suitable for GNR. Maybe suitable for Axl's planned industrial project...but that's not what happened...what you get is these guys playing AFD...something not suited to him.
I agree with most of your points. I just don't think that the acceptance was mainly by the playing style changing. Robin was still playing his Patience and November Rain solos in 2006 and still wearing a garbage bag as t-shirt ffs!
I think the band wasn't accepted and, as most things GN'R, relied on Axl to make them do it. But, now I think, not even Axl was accepting as they were and perhaps that's why he disapeared in 2002 ~ 2006?
Also worth noting, there wasn't only two freaks, there were a few issues with the band at 2002 and still to this day some are true:
- Pitman looked like he was out of Village People at Rio 2001
- Too many people on the band, easy to forget who was in or not, confusing
- People may say 92 stage band had as many or more. Well, ask anybody who were in the band besides Axl, Slash and Duff.
- Tommy Stinson always brought the band some respect, even in the industry insiders. Paul Huge, Robin Finck and Buckethead took away respect from the band.
Axl should've kept a simple line-up and add as many collaborators as he felt needed but didn't need to list everyone as band members, imho.
#756 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
This is annoying...
#757 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
misterID wrote:-D- wrote:Played with Ceelo!
haha WOW! that is fantastic. Really breaking major ground now!
Robin is a shit guitarist and used Axl and sabotaged CD's release.
Fuck him.
Uh, yeah, that's three major releases in the last four years and very successful tours. You acted like he hasn't done anything. You were wrong. Again.
And you know less about why he left than you do about why Slash really left. So stop pretending that you do.
What did he do? he's afucking hired hand backup musician. Please show me these "tours" cause I've heard shit about them
Do you happen to know a so-called Nine Inch Nails band?
They're pretty famous down here, at least...
#758 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
Mine is Izzy for like a bazillion miles distance from the second, Slash. Then we have Robin and Bucket and Bumble. The others still have to contribute with something significant recorded.
#759 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
Axl was/is the problem. The other problem was/is management.
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the bigger problem wasn't that they weren't GnR, but that it didn't even sound/feel like GnR. ...
some people weren't going to accept that no matter what.
If Guns had re-emerged with Paul Tobias, Finck and Fortus (remember he auditioned for Bucket's position before he was on?) or even just Tobias and Fortus, Fortus and Finck '06, Izzy and Fortus, DJ Ashba and Fortus it would've been the same.
The most shocking member was Bucket, there's no discussion on that I suppose?
If it was Ashba in 2002 people would've said he was a Slash lookalike playalike. Going in another direction to try to avoid comparisons was smart IF they went on full blazing with new songs and fewer past songs. That was not what happened and hasn't happened since.
#760 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" Video Discussion » 711 weeks ago
You guys pointing that Robin visuals would affect perception?
There was a guy WITH A FRIED CHICKEN BUCKET ON HIS HEAD, ffs!
And about the live performances: only who would check on bootlegs or youtube would be complaining that they were different from Slash. I know that nowadays most people look up to Youtube to check how the band is/looks/sounds but that wasn't the case yet in 2002.
2002 was the first wave of heat, of haters and the "they aren't Slash" bashing. It was much smaller in 2006 (even with Robin) and way Smaller in 2012.
Had Axl kept GN'R active it would have reached 2012 standards before...
