Smoking Guns wrote:

Bono wrote:

haha! Ask anyone who's not a diehard to name anything other than SCOM, PC, Jungle, or November Rain. You really are outta touch here Saikin with the appreciation that Civil War garners from Gn'R fans and non fans alike. That is a sick ass song and I've yet to hear anyone ever say otherwise.

None of the Estranged bashing ever happend untill after the video was released. the song rules and everyone knew it. BUT when they put out the over the top video it was durring the Grunge fever pitch and it was now cool to blast bands like Gn'R. the video was pompus so critics started to associate the song with the video.  the video was anything but street crd Gn'R so of course sudenly the song losses it's cred. My brother who is not in any way shape or from a diehard or even a  fan really just said he thinks Estranged is, and I quote "fucking awesome".

is it just me or am I seeing a situation develope here where people are wanting to like the new Gn'R so badly that the've actually started trying to justify a song like  Estranged being a  joke or Civil War being forgettable to support their case? This has got to be one of the most insane things I've ever seen on a  Gn'R forum.

This is exactly what is going on.  Breakdown, if a CD era song, would be the best CD era song IMO.  I can't believe a fellow fan would say Estranged was trash.  I think its one of GNR's finest moments.

Please show me where I said Estranged is trash.  For those who know my past, i have always said Estranged is an amazing song and far better than NR. 

Breakdown is too an amazing song.

Communist China wrote:

Bono wrote:

Seriously outside the cozey confines of the Gn'R forum world would think The Blues is one of the greatest songs Axl has ever written? I just don't  see that happening. Up there with SCOM, Civil War, November Rain, Estranged? No way.

Here, though, the GN'R forum arrogance is already stamped on this post just like those loving the leaks. Tell me again who loves Estranged beyond GN'R diehards? Estranged is one of the biggest jokes to music fans when it came out, and it's still an easy joke people make when talking about GN'R.

I am 100% sure that The Blues would be given more respect than Estranged was.

And I'm not sure people really remember Civil War...

You are completely wrong with this statement. When the Illusion albums came out every muther fucker owned those albums including non diehards and Estranged was thought of as amazing by most everyone I know. It's the video that was thought of as a joke. Trust me on that one. Civil War is a song that's appreciated by people who dont' even like the old  GN'R.

We went from VR comparisons to Snakepit comparisons???

Whats next: Pisser??

Communist China wrote:

People have been talking about dated, and the influences... and I'm STILL the only one to hear a ton of Faith No More in If The World? It's almost a FNM cover tune, yet all I hear is that it's a BH 70s funk-porn song. I can't be the only one to hear that.

EDIT: Just saw the post in the If The World thread. That's what I'm talking about. I hear way more of that than I do BH.

It's a 20th century album I guess. But then again the popular new rock music like Buckcherry is pretty much just going back to old Aerosmith roots, so what does that tell you? It's really hard to define a sound that's current... it's just a certain type of retro that's popular right now and that isn't really what CD is, I guess.

I know someone who is a huge FNM fan on an STP forum, i will ask him to listen to If the World and see what he thinks.  I haven't heard too much of them so i can't really say. 

One of the biggest problems with current music is that there really is no one sound that can define the time.  It's not like Grunge, or Hair Metal or anything like that. 

Smoking Guns- guitars don't get my dick hard.  The mixing is off on these songs, and they do sound a little cluttered.  But just because of that, you can't say that other music is better musically.  Musically these tracks are beyond Snakepit.