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buzzsaw
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Re: Current Events Thread

buzzsaw wrote:
slashsfro wrote:

If you don't know the difference between what happened Wednesday and all those other things you posted, then you are pretty clueless.  ALso the people currently "protesting" and protesting a lie that has been proven false by multiple judges, the FBI, the former attorney general etc...that makes it even worse.

The difference is simple: as long as you're destroying and killing in the name of something supported by Dems/MSM, it's okay.  But you damned well better not protest anything supported by the MSM/Dems because all hell will break loose.  I know you won't acknowledge any of this and that will continue to be your undoing.

Trust me, that difference has been noted by a LOT of people.  Many Dems.  Not everyone you think is on your side actually supports crushing free speech.  You're heading down a slippery slope and being the fascists that you liked to pretend that Trump was.  For a decade I've been telling you both sides are playing the same games, here we are with it out in the open in broad daylight and you continue to bury your heads in an echo chamber.

This country is headed towards civil war and you guys either don't understand or don't care that the people you support are fully responsible for it.  If it comes to that, I don't think you're going to be happy with the results.  One side is far more prepared to stand up for their beliefs than the other.  Keep telling them that they don't matter.  Keep telling them there's no place for them.  Keep trying to silence them.  Shit's going to get real much quicker than any of you can handle. 

Over 4 months I was gone and this thread has been just as shitty if not shittier than ever.  Uninformed stroking each others egos having no idea what's going on, then somehow upset when they get the same treatment they've been giving to others.  You can try to silence people, but it never works.  You can continue what you've been doing and be amazed when something worse happens, or you can wake up and own your share of the problem.  Your choice.  Either way, I recommend preparing for things to get worse before they get better.  You haven't handled this well, so there's no way you're prepared for the future.

IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: Current Events Thread

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Anyway, carry on.  The echo chamber in here is so disturbing, but you go on thinking you have it all figured out again until something happens to prove that you don't.  I'm out.

.... and yet here you are.

Randall Flagg
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Re: Current Events Thread

slashsfro wrote:

If you don't know the difference between what happened Wednesday and all those other things you posted, then you are pretty clueless.  ALso the people currently "protesting" and protesting a lie that has been proven false by multiple judges, the FBI, the former attorney general etc...that makes it even worse.


What is the difference?  Can you elaborate, cause thus far the only distinction stated in this thread is that you believe one was led/caused by the rhetoric of Trump, while the other was led by the rhetoric of Democratic leaders.  What is the distinction?  Is the Capitol more important than the White House?  Does none of the riots and attacks on law enforcement that occurred outside federal courthouses and throughout every major American city this summer not count?  Does having one party praise and support the summer's assaults not entice the opposing side to use the same behavior if not escalate it?

I don't know where you were this summer, but the same people asking for lists to turn people into indoctrination camps denied any of this violence was occurring, and when their eyes could no longer deceive them, they tried to blame it on groups that had 1% of the attendance at these riots as Antifa and BLM.  Our VP bailed rioters out of jail.  That's not stretching hyperbole and pretending that some off handed remark was secret code for Illuminati level conspiracy.  Harris bailed rioters out of jail who were more violent than what occurred at the Capitol.

Can you explain this difference, or is this another instance where we all pretend that the past 4 years didn't happen.  Rioters attempted to breach the White House and the President was forced into a bunker.  We then have a bunch of idiots riot at the Capitol, where one cop was killed.  An unarmed woman was shot, and normally that would be a reason to riot on the left, but she was white and had the wrong political opinions, so it's not the tragedy that was Jacob Blake armed with a knife after fighting with police officers and resisting arrest. 

Why is the attack on the Capitol worse than the attack on the White House?  I know there's a lot of hyperbole about coups, but since we have some professed history buffs on this forum, tell me how many coups occurred with unarmed civilians?  Is it worse than when a far-left loon detonated a bomb in the Senate in 1983?  Clinton pardoned her for that. 

All you've articulated was that you feel the protests and riots this summer were warranted because you falsely believe that black people are disproportionately killed unarmed by police.  This is an absolute falsehood that 5 minutes researching would demonstrate, so what is your line of thought on this?

Why is this completely separate from the violence all summer long and how are those in power who celebrated and condoned that violence not in anyway responsible that other nutjobs replicated their behavior?

Democrats spent 4 years calling the 2016 election illegitimate.  They called Trump Hitler 2.0 and a dictator.  As is often the case, specifics eluded their statement and as evidence here you can find plenty of gullible people who fell for it.  You won't see a single poster explain how Trump is anything like Hitler, or how he was a dictator.  You won't find anything of substance on how 2016 was illegitimate, but a lot of name calling.  All of this encouraged and incited people to violence, like when the Bernie bro shot up congress. The hateful rhetoric not only didn't stop, it increased.

I want every single one of these asshole who stormed to the capitol to be in prison.  I want Trump out of office.  But I also want those who stormed the various state capitols this summer to be in prison with them.  Those that rioted and attempted to burn police stations and federal courthouses in prison.  Those who attempted to breech the White House and only failed because the Secret Service doesn't have to answer to twitter or a Democratic mayor when they waste someone who needed to be wasted. 

So tell me, how is this different.  If your answer is "if you don't understand, I can't explain it", then you don't understand it at all and are just unwilling to acknowledge it. 

As the only person on this entire forum who knows fucking anything about violence and use of force, I'm incredibly hesitant to enact violence and justify it.  I know all of you tough guys playing video games have it figured out, but I promise you if this comes to civil war, it won't be the side you presently find yourself on victorious.  I've seen what people look like when several high velocity rounds enter and exit their body.  It's not a pleasant sight to see.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.  So if any of you can explain how this is different, and how the events of this summer didn't directly lead to this, I'm game.  Please tell me.  But if all you have are smug replies about how wrong I am and how you're capable of judging what is acceptable thought and what isn't, just don't bother.

misterID
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Re: Current Events Thread

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
slashsfro wrote:

If you don't know the difference between what happened Wednesday and all those other things you posted, then you are pretty clueless.  ALso the people currently "protesting" and protesting a lie that has been proven false by multiple judges, the FBI, the former attorney general etc...that makes it even worse.

Listen you can lie straight to peoples faces and then Call it freedom of speech. That’s what we do now.

I honestly don't think you guys are reading what I'm posting, because you're bringing up free speech completely differently than what I'm arguing.

It's getting to the point of having to agree to disagree. I think all the violence has been bad. I think all the harassment is bad. I think the politicians have been completely irresponsible and so has the media. I think they've all inflamed the tensions that got us here, as Trump has. I don't think the election was stolen and I don't think cops are inherently racist. People have the right to protest, it doesn't mean they're right or I support it.

I think left and right extremists have a hole in their psyche and they fill it with politics. There's something wrong with the individuals. And I think too many of us have a habit of judging one side harsher than the other because of our political views and emotions. There's no way I'm ignoring or softening what happened in the last year.

Trump will be gone in 9 days. Who's going to be able to let him go? I am.

IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: Current Events Thread

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

What is the difference?

 
Asked and answered multiple times.

Can you elaborate, cause thus far the only distinction stated in this thread is that you believe one was led/caused by the rhetoric of Trump, while the other was led by the rhetoric of Democratic leaders.  What is the distinction?

You have no interest in real discussion and you are incredibly dishonest in how you post.

Here it's very simple.
One occurred with noone at the helm.
The other with the prez at the helm.

Picture it in crayon, it might help.

"So if any of you can explain how this is different,"

See above as example of dishonesty. Many people has answered it many times.

Rf is certainly no genius despite his claims, but he is also not stupid. He knows exactly what the difference is and that folks is simply more evidence of his dishonesty.

Randall Flagg
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Thanks for the thought out response!

IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: Current Events Thread

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

No prob. You looked to be struggling. Happy to help.

IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: Current Events Thread

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

NYT: "McConnell has told associates he believes President Trump has committed impeachable offenses and to be pleased democrats are moving to impeach him."


All these antifa double agents coming out of the woodwork. Crazy huh?


Kinzinger, Katko and Cheney are republicans who have just announced they will vote to impeach.
" considerable number of gop will vote to impeach"

All these confused republicans must have got the wrong end of the stick. Rf and Buzz know better.

mitchejw
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Re: Current Events Thread

mitchejw wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

NYT: "McConnell has told associates he believes President Trump has committed impeachable offenses and to be pleased democrats are moving to impeach him."


All these antifa double agents coming out of the woodwork. Crazy huh?


Cheney will vote to impeach." considerable number of gop will vote to impeach"

All these confused republicans must have got the wrong end of the stick.

Honestly...I think they only gave a shit when it finally directly affected them personally. Until then these people couldn't be bothered.

I watched a few of the speeches from Senators when they went back to vote and one of them said something incredibly prescient. I can't remember who...

He said something to the effect of: we here in the senate often feel like we're the first to know and feel when and injustice has occurred but in this instance we may have been the last.

To me that meant...well now that it's on my door step I have to care...and conversely...it's a lot easier to pretend about reality when you're not really in it.

Randall Flagg
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Re: Current Events Thread

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
slashsfro wrote:

If you don't know the difference between what happened Wednesday and all those other things you posted, then you are pretty clueless.  ALso the people currently "protesting" and protesting a lie that has been proven false by multiple judges, the FBI, the former attorney general etc...that makes it even worse.

Listen you can lie straight to peoples faces and then Call it freedom of speech. That’s what we do now.

I honestly don't think you guys are reading what I'm posting, because you're bringing up free speech completely differently than what I'm arguing.

It's getting to the point of having to agree to disagree. I think all the violence has been bad. I think all the harassment is bad. I think the politicians have been completely irresponsible and so has the media. I think they've all inflamed the tensions that got us here, as Trump has. I don't think the election was stolen and I don't think cops are inherently racist. People have the right to protest, it doesn't mean they're right or I support it.

I think left and right extremists have a hole in their psyche and they fill it with politics. There's something wrong with the individuals. And I think too many of us have a habit of judging one side harsher than the other because of our political views and emotions. There's no way I'm ignoring or softening what happened in the last year.

Trump will be gone in 9 days. Who's going to be able to let him go? I am.


They're reading what you're saying, they just don't want to acknowledge it because they wouldn't be able to have smug, non-answers.  Trump incited a lot of anger in people, I certainly empathize with that.  They're just incapable of that empathy toward their political opponents.  You don't need to have an IQ over 100 to understand that normalizing political violence for causes you're sympathetic towards normalizes all political violence. 

They've created an image of Trump and bought into all the hyperbole and outright lies about him.  What sane person wouldn't claim to stand against Hitler.  I say "claim", because all of us are posting on an outdated and unreliable message board rather than doing anything of substance.  If they genuinely believe in their cores that Trump is Hitler, what isn't justified?  Radicalism isn't something unique to the fringe and destitute, and when 80%? of mainstream information is facilitating that dishonesty, you can't fault them for being influenced by it.

You were influenced by it.  I remember how you were all in on the Russian shit in 2017.  Fortunately you made the effort to look at what was true, and what was said by someone looking for ad space and attention.  I was influenced by it.  You can look at my posts from early 2009 here and find me making predictions about imminent takeover of socialism and loss of American exceptionalism. I distinctly remember laying on the floor of my office in Iraq for an hour distraught once I saw the election called at 5 in the morning.  I thought for sure I'd be in some UN uniform within a year following orders from some Eastern European general with Saudi soldiers standing to my left and right.  In the years that followed, I became embarrassed by my gullibility and swore I'd never allow myself to knowingly believe something because I wanted it to be true.  But few people are willing to test their beliefs and narratives.  Most people are concerned with having their beliefs validated, not actually validating them.

I'm ok with most of these folks, because eventually their intelligence will override their emotion and they'll realize their initial position was extreme. But you have those very few who are not only passionate, but willing to act on that.  And with the media creating this constant Armageddon narrative for the past 4+ years,  you're giving the nuts the material they need to act violent.  "Trump calls the election stolen" soon becomes "Trump is refusing to leave the White House" which soon becomes "Trump is calling on White Supremacist to stage a Coup and install him as our eternal leader."  Most of us will yell at the TV or insult complete strangers on the internet.  But a small minority will react to it. 

It started several years ago with BLM and Antifa smashing in the occasional window and the occasional act of violence.  Obama was in office and Democrats have a monopoly on anything they can market as racism.  That's why the mother of Michael Brown (the violent criminal who punched a cop in the face, tried to take his weapon, then charge at the cop again before he was shot - this is a fact, it's not something any of you can dispute), was on stage at the DNC convention in 2016.  No one can be to the left of the DNC, so lip service was made to keep them loyal.   But nothing really happened after St Louis, so that became normalized.  Then Antifa starts showing up at protests and assaulting people.  Bike chains to the face, rush the speaker, shatter the windows of the auditorium, that kind of shit.  Feel free to lookup the numerous Berkley videos or any other college campus.  Obama condemned this, but no one in any position of authority did anything to stop it.  In fact, colleges refused to fund police presences at these events to enable Antifa and anti-free speech types to use threat of force to silence people. It culminated with the violence and damage done during Trump's inauguration.  The story the media was telling wasn't about the violence, it was about Trump's crowd size.

Then the right responded with the Proud Boys.  These idiots would show up and fight and beat the shit out of Antifa, and no one really did anything about it.  So left and right idiots beating the shit out of each other in the street became the new normal.  Trump jokes that some loud mouth screaming at a rally should be smacked in the mouth, and violence becomes a major concern and Trump is to blame.  Trump is the worse fucking person in the world to advocate passions and violence be calmed, and the media refuses to cover anything about left wing radicals.  So Antifa gets more and more brazen and decide Charlottesville is the new battleground, because some dead guy has a statue in a state they've never been to.  Of course the extremes on the right are only emboldened because they've watched Proud Boys beat the shit out of them on YouTube the past 16 months, so they show up.  What started out as a rally to stop the destruction of monuments soon became infiltrated and owned by white supremacist shit heads who were more than eager to punch back.  As the video evidence shows, Antifa does their normal swarm bullshit where they block traffic and assault their enemies, and one White Supremacist shit head drove his car into Antifa and killed a woman.  And here's where I'm going to lose those who have no interest in reality and want their narrative.  In a hasty press conference, Trump condemns the violence and says "There were fine people on both side."  We all know that statement, but what people who have only listened to mainstream media don't know, is that Trump immediately followed that statement up that he wasn't talking about the white supremacist, and "totally condemn them".  That important part was left out, and now left wing violence is justified because Nazis are killing innocent counter protesters.  So it continues, and the media continues its efforts to mislead the public into thinking Trump condoned this hateful attack, further justifying the idea that bored 20 somethings in 21st century America are akin to their grandfathers at Normandy. 

Flash forward to George Floyd, and we're at a point where trying to storm the White House, tearing down monuments, setting police stations on fire, firebombing court houses, and taking over several city blocks and declaring autonomy are all normalized.  And the same people calling Trump the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler are baffled that morons on the right pushed their way into a poorly guarded entrance and gained access to the Speaker's office that  is 6 feet away from the path thousands of people who legally tour the Capitol each day walk.  They just don't understand how we got to this point.

It's just convenient that they now support the complete silencing from 21st century information sources, and has nothing to do with their own personal desire to perform something that most people would say resembles the kind of coup enacted by the governments of Orwell's 1984.


Edit:  Yea, they went right past your post ID.  They're not interested in responding to what you post, but please keep it up.  I enjoy reading your thoughts.

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