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Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
This is extremely long so bear with me. Howard Stern had the author of the Michael Jackson book that's out now on the show yesterday and he was an interesting guest. I thought he was good, made some interesting points. Overall he said he started writing the book after the 2003 trial because he thought it was another OJ type deal and he was looking to slam Michael. BUT he said through his investigation he found NO evidence that he was a child molestor or ever did anything inappropriate with children. He did say that Micahael was gay though and admired Nazis, among other things. So it wasn't all positive.
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Author Ian Halperin Talks About Michael Jackson Molestation Case. 07/15/09. 7:50am
Howard said that this author Ian Halperin was working on a book about Michael Jackson (Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson) and found that he wasn't a child molester. Ian said he set out to nail Michael Jackson but he found out that he wasn't what he expected.
Ian told Howard that in 2005 he thought that Jackson was guilty so he set out on this odyssey to find everything he could. He said he found that 4 years later he didn't molest any kids. He said that what he found in the court documents and things like that proved that he wasn't a child molester.
Ian said that Joe Jackson treated his son like crap and beat the crap out of him. He said that anyone who knew Michael as a child would be able to tell you that. Howard said that's what it seems like and Joe is claiming that he's the one who molded his son into the performer he was.
Ian said that there are a lot of people coming out of the woodwork right now who weren't there for Michael in the past couple of years. They're all coming out and supporting him now that he's gone.
Ian said Michael didn't want his father around him either. He said that all he wanted was Michael's money. He said he burned Michael repeatedly and Michael didn't trust him. He said that Michael didn't get the proper childhood and that's why we saw him with kids all the time. He loved kids and always tried to help them. He said he tried to bring people together and used Neverland to do that.
Ian said that Michael Jackson is not a child molester. He said he dug up a court document from 1993 that showed that Michael was forced to settle that case and he was insisting not to settle but the insurance company forced him to. He said that the kid, Jordan Chandler, claimed that Jackson was circumcised and had blotches on his penis. The cops raided his house and made him strip down to be photographed. It turns out he was uncircumcised and Jordan's description didn't match.
Howard said he didn't know the insurance company made him settle. Ian said that all of this is in his book. He said that in 2005 there was another case and the people involved weren't that credible. Ian said he came there and wanted to crack the story. He said he spoke to Johnny Cochran one time and Johnny told him that they didn't win their case, the prosecution lost their case.
Ian said that he doesn't truest Debbie Rowe either. He said that she's trying to extort money from the family to avoid taking her kids from them. He said that's just not right and he would never do such a thing with his own kids.
Ian said that Michael was a great father from what he could tell. He said he met Michael in person but never got to interview the kids. He said that the time Michael held the kid over the balcony he was high on drugs. He said that you have to look at the doctors who were giving him that stuff.
Howard asked Ian about Jackson's kids and how he kept them in masks all the time. The kids don't even know other kids because of that. Ian said that Michael was the most famous person out there and he was trying to protect them from the paparazzi. He said it makes sense and he home schooled them himself. Howard and Robin sounded shocked by that. Ian said that Michael was very educated. He said that he studied everything and he was very literate. He said he was well read too.
Howard said that Ian predicted that Michael only had about 6 months to love about 6 months ago. He asked Ian about that and how that prediction came about. Ian said that he checked into some private medical records and found that he could die at any second because he had anorexia, lung disease and some other health issues. He said that he could have died of a heart attack based on the anorexia alone.
Howard asked if Michael knew about the book. Ian said that he did and he was supportive of it when he found out that he was sympathetic.
Ian said that his book came out in December and Jackson's people said that it was a complete fabrication. He said that they then planned the 50 show tour and expected Jackson to do all of that.
Howard said that they claim that Jackson was a schizophrenic. Ian said that's what he was told. He didn't make that claim himself. He said that Joe Jackson turned a blind eye to that and didn't get him help. All he wanted to do was make as much money as possible. Ian said he hopes that the child welfare intervenes and doesn't let Joe get custody of the kids. He said that they might think that they have another Michael Jackson on their hands.
Howard said he saw that Debbie Rowe, the mother of the kids, doesn't even want the kids. She has never wanted them but now she's trying to get money from the family and claiming that she does want the kids. Ian said Joe wants the kids and wants to put them on tour and to give them record deals.
Howard said that now that the kids are out of their masks nothing crazy has happened. Ian said Michael just wanted to keep them out of the spotlight. The family went against his wishes and exposed the kids to the world. They're just trying to make money off of Michael.
Howard asked about Michael's marriage to Lisa Marie Presley. Ian said that he had infiltrated the church of Scientology and he heard a lot of talk about getting Michael to join. They used Lisa Marie to get to Michael. That's what that was all about. He said that there were people claiming that's what happened and they asked Lisa go marry the guy to get him involved with the church.
Howard asked why it would be so important to Lisa Marie to get him into that church. He said he had Lisa Marie on the show and she claims that she was really in love with Michael. He doesn't get why she would want to be involved with the church in that way though.
Ian said that it's rumored that Lisa Marie was pressured to marry Michael. He said he's not sure if that's true or not. Then there's the homosexuality thing. Ian claims that he found out that there are some men out there who claim that they have had homosexual encounters with Michael Jackson.
Ian said he heard rumors from Michael's mother that he was gay. He said he heard that she called him a ''fag.'' Ian said he looked into the allegations and found 8 men who claimed that they had slept with Michael. He said that he found 8 but only went with 3 because he needed extreme corroboration to make sure they were being real. He said that he found out that Michael would dress up as a woman when he was with these guys. Ian said that he would dress as a woman to get out of the hotels without being recognized. He would get rooms in Las Vegas that had cockroaches in them. He said he found out about one construction worker in Vegas and the guy had time lines and all of the information that he needed to prove that he had been with him.
Ian said that Jackson didn't come out as being gay because he thought people would think he was a pedophile. He said that Jackson was also afraid that being black and gay would be even tougher than being white and gay. Ian also claims that several people told Jackson that he shouldn't come out because of the race factor.
Ian said that Michael did fall in love with some gay men. He said that he liked guys who were 18-23 years old. Howard asked if they were muscular guys. Ian said they were toned guys and the construction worker was Asian. Howard asked if there was anything kinky going on. Ian said that they claimed that he liked to lick the guy's ''lollipops.''
Howard asked Ian how Michael met this construction worker. Ian said Michael was living in Vegas at the time and he was roaming around meeting them. He met a waiter in a restaurant and the next night they were in a hotel together.
Howard asked Ian about his book and found out he worked for 5 years on it. He did 5 years of research. He said this was his 12th book and he had to max out some credit cards while he was working on it. He said he did get an advance but not enough to last 5 years. He said he had to take a risk though.
Ian told Howard about he and his wife breaking up and how things are still okay between them. He said that they're both artists and they just had to get away from each other.
Ian said he really thinks that the courts have to step in and take the kids away from the Jackson family. He said he doesn't trust the Jacksons or even Debbie Rowe. He said they might need to be put into a family other than both of those.
Ian told Howard that Michael wanted the kids to go to his mother or Diana Ross. Howard asked why he would give the kids to a woman who could have been a part of the mental abuse. Ian said there is talk that there might be another will out there and the one that's out there now isn't going to hold up.
Howard said he has changed his will a bunch of times. He said he changes it whenever he's mouthed off to. He said he's changed it about 10 times.
Ian said that they have to look at the doctors in the Jackson case and also into the police force. Howard asked Ian if he believes what's going on around this guy. Howard said he's not sure why they're so fascinated by the whole thing.
Howard gave Ian a plug for his book ''Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson.'' The book is at number 2 on the best seller list right now.
Robin asked if Michael was obsessed with Nazis. Ian said that he did have some Nazi outfits and he would wear them around the house. Ian said that he had some songs about the Jews and he was bitter about the way he was treated by some Jews.
Howard asked if he really slept in a hyperbaric chamber. Ian said that was true too. He said that Michael knew how to spin a tale. Ian said Michael had plastic surgery and claimed it was only twice. They know better than that. He said he was trying to change his look so he didn't look like anyone in his family.
Howard said that Michael blamed Tommy Mottola for one of his albums tanking and Tommy had to talk some sense into the guy. He said that Michael was about the blame game but then he'd go out and spend all of his money on all kinds of nonsense. Ian said he made some bad decisions and he was millions of dollars in debt when he died.
Howard said the one thing that kept him afloat was the Beatles catalog that he bought. Ian said that was the only thing that kept him going.
Howard said Michael had assets but it didn't all balance out. Ian said he was living in Dubai for a while and he was being supported by some guy out there. He said that's the only reason he thought about doing the come back.
Ian said that he was on a show in London the day he announced his tour and told them that the concerts would never happen. Ian said that he was proven right when he made that prediction.
Howard asked Ian if he liked his music. Howard said he never liked it. Ian asked if he had ever danced to any of his songs. Howard said he never did. He said he can't even dance to any song. He demonstrated for Ian and then went over and danced with Ian. Robin said that's the first guest Howard has ever danced with like that.
Ian said that Michael's music as moving for him. Howard said he didn't like it. They spent a minute going back and forth on that. Artie said that the dancing is going to be number one on Howard TV for months once it airs.
Howard took a call from a guy who said that this guy's story doesn't check out. He said that the guy has just been sucking Michael off. He said that there's no way Michael was out in Vegas dressing like a woman and going out. Howard said he thinks that he could have done that. Ian defended himself and said that he's got the proof in his book.
Howard said that when he was dating he was able to get about 1,300 lovers in 2 weeks and he was able to keep it quiet and secret. Howard said that there are ways to be clandestine about what you're doing and he thinks that Michael could have done that kind of thing.
Ian said that Michael was gay and ''so what?'' He said that he finds it highly insulting that this caller is saying what he's saying. He said that the important thing is getting the kids help and not bashing Michael Jackson. He said that they should let the guy rest in peace.
Irish John called in and said that there were a lot of allegations about Michael giving alcohol to kids. He asked if that was true. Ian said there was truth to that. He said that Jackson had alcohol addiction and he had to go to rehab for that. No one but Liz Taylor did anything about it. She urged him to check into rehab.
John asked what the purpose of giving the kids alcohol. Ian said that Martin Bashir did an interview with Jackson and Bashir used Jackson while he was addicted to drugs to manipulate him. He said that Jackson had a lapse of judgment and he suffered the consequences.
Ian said that Jackson loved kids and he didn't want to have sex with them, he just wanted to bring kids together. Irish John asked him if he ever ''infiltrated'' Jackson himself. Howard said that was a little too much and cut John off.
Howard talked to Ian about Jackson sleeping with young boys. Ian said he wouldn't let his kids do that but there are some people who were okay with that.
Another caller said that Howard's bullshit meter should be going crazy with this guy. He said that this guy has to be making this stuff up. Ian said that he has to read the book before he says that. The caller said that this guy wrote the book to sell. Artie said there isn't any other reason to write a book.
Ian said that he wrote the book before Michael died. He said that the book was on the presses when he died and he had to stop them and add a chapter and change the title of the book. He said that he should read the book before he bashes it though.
Mariann from Brooklyn called in and asked him why he didn't call social services about him. Howard said Ian thinks that he was a good father. Ian said that if you present him with the smoking gun then he'll write about that. He said he wrote about what he found. He said he set out to nail the guy but it turns out he couldn't. He said he thought that they had another OJ on their hands but that's not what he found.
Artie asked Ian if he thinks that he was such a junkie that he would really shoot up in his neck. Ian said that he was a junkie and he wouldn't have been alive without some of the drugs he was on. He said that Jackson had to deliver the goods and he had become despondent toward the end. He said that the AEG people put out the video of Jackson were saying that he was perfectly healthy the day after he died.
Ian said that they examined the video and they're saying that Jackson wasn't in fine form and he was out of sync and even Jackson said that he felt like a marathon runner after doing just one song. He wasn't going to be able to pull off the tour.
Artie said that maybe AEG had a motive to murder the guy if he was worth more dead than alive. Ian said that they could have gone bankrupt if he hadn't been able to pull it off. Howard said he thinks that they thought that he was going to pull it off and they weren't out to get the guy. Ian said he's not claiming murder. He said that he's pretty sure that the authorities have their act together out there and know what they're doing.
Robin asked how Michael passed a physical for the tour. Ian said that he offered to pay for a medical exam to find out what the real deal was.
Howard asked if Neverland is going to become some kind of shrine for Jackson. Ian said it will. He was bailed out by a guy and he's part owner in that ranch. He said he's got details on that as well and he has barely hit the tip of the iceberg with what he's spoken about today. Howard said that he's given away so much that people won't want to buy the book.
Howard gave Ian some more plugs for his book and thanked him for coming in. He told him to do his next book on the life of Artie Lange. Artie said he's writing that book himself. Howard had to go to break a short time later.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
The gay thing I could believe, he's always definitely been fem... The Nazi thing, maybe. But dressing like one around the house?... The dressing up like a woman and meeting muscular Asian construction men in roach infested hotels in Vegas... I don't know... The Lisa Marie banging and marrying him to get him into Scientology I have a hard time believing, too.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
The Nazi thing & the Lisa Marie scientologist conspiracy, seems a bit too far out there.
I do believe Michael had an issue with jews. Many blacks do that are in the music business. Quite a few guys named 'Feldstein' have screwed them over, so they start generalizing the big producers, alot of which are of jewish heritage.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
I"m just watching Nancy Grace, and this was just mentioned.
Apparently there are video cameras all over Michael Jacksons house. Including a cam that would have him receiving the fatal injection. However its being said that the footage of the injection and the timeframe of before and after the incident is misssing.
They also reported that there was money and jewels missing from the home.
It seems there is more than meets the eye going on right now.
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Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
jesus i'd never seen the video of that. Fucking nuts. Poor guy.Amazing how he's dancing on fire though...guess he hadnt realised yet.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
CrashDiet wrote:I"m just watching Nancy Grace, and this was just mentioned.
Apparently there are video cameras all over Michael Jacksons house. Including a cam that would have him receiving the fatal injection. However its being said that the footage of the injection and the timeframe of before and after the incident is misssing.
They also reported that there was money and jewels missing from the home.
It seems there is more than meets the eye going on right now.
WOW. I wasn't putting ANY thought into these "foul play theories" but if those reports are true... just WOW.
That's an amazing piece of news if true. We'll have to wait and see what develops I guess. I have a feeling this whole ordeal is going to last for quite some time.
