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Re: McCain guarantees victory
I'm sure there are people looking at him to be "their President" thinking he'll provide them with better jobs, housing etc.. but the way I look at it, is those are the people who are going to be left behind & disappointed in the end. Let's face it, alot of people on welfare don't qualify for some of these tax credits like college tuition or childcare or whatever. Yes, people are on welfare, but they arent' already. And even for those low income people who are maybe lazy & expect an improvement.... it's not coming to them. They'll still have to strive for it. A $500 dollar tax credit isn't going to get them very far in life.
I don't agree with all of Obama's policies, but I think the country needs a new change from someone who isn't the same old. And I also think John McCain isn't the person for right now with a bad economy & a war we're trying to end, not continue. Obama has brought out interesting facts we never heard, such as Iraq having a $70 billion dollar surplus!? I just find it interesting how Bush, Cheney or McCain never mentioned that part before. Kinda changes things doesn't it. I've also said this before but I think new energies (wind, solar etc) have the potential to explode over the next 10 years. And the stock market could boom as a result. I'm thinking of going onto etrade & investing some money into a vareity of companies, because I saw some are down to about $3 down from their previous high of about $50. Now's the time to buy. I just never used etrade before but am thinking about registering.
In the end, we'll know in 48 hours who the next President is. Obama never "closed the deal" or put the nail in the coffin so to say, but he has a sizable lead. We'll see. Nobody knows for sure who's plan will or won't work either.
Just curious, why is reversing the Patriot Act such a horrible idea??
Re: McCain guarantees victory
Most of us like being safe. Most of us have nothing to hide. The Patriot Act, while not a wonderful bill, serves a purpose. Honestly, the gov't can wire tap me all they want, I don't care. They can spy on me, track me with GPS, whatever...someone is going to fall asleep trying to follow me around.
Whatever makes me safer, I'm ok with. I don't like waiting in lines at the airport to fly either, but I understand it helps protect my safety and I accept it. I'd much rather have my tax dollars going to protect my well being than to go to some lazy ass that doesn't think he needs to contribute to society by getting a job and paying taxes. Eliminate welfare, use that money to pay down the national debt. We waste more money on lazy people than anything else...and Obama wants to increase that while taking away from my safety? No thanks.
- Gunslinger
- Rep: 88
Re: McCain guarantees victory
That's it buzzsaw. I'm PERFECTLYok with helping the (truly) disabled, ederly, childeren, or those working who need help making ends meet but NOT handouts for the lazy. When I lived in D.C. there was a huge block of high rise government apartments where 90% of the people who lived there did not work. Not disabled but did not work. Some CLAIMED to be disabled and got "the check" but were able to party, play sports, etc. If we quit wasting all this money for handouts for these type of people and limited other frivilous government spending we could easily balance the budget and pay down the debt.
As far as the Patriot Act it is DUMB to do away with something that protects YOU!! I am not a pro-Bush guy, he didn't do a good job...bottom line, and YES a change IS needed but McCain is NOT Bush and just because Obama is younger and a democrat does not mean the change will be a good one. I don't want the war any more than the next guy and NOONE wants the money being thrown down the drain any longer but the fact is WE ARE IN WAR and we must end it the right way, not tucking our tail and running. It's a winnable war if Americans and the media would support a proper exit instead of instant fulfillment. I don't like taxes either but we have to have them in order to run the country, wishing them away won't change that and pretending we can just leave Iraq immediately is the same logic. Your votes are very important this time around, don't let the media choose for you. Take time to make the right choice, whatever you think it may be but use your mind...not your hearts.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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Hold on here folks, I'm the conservative, die-hard, douchebag republican around here, and I have a problem with the premis of the patriot act. There is a fundamental concept in this country called being innocent until proven guilty. Now I skirt this by saying that non-citizens aren't protected under our constitution, but the fact that people are willing to voluntarily subject themselves to big brother scares the shit out of me. I don't want Obama as President because the man is a Socialist and probably a black-Marxist; lip stick on a pig ring a bell?
I don't want a dime of my money being forced out of my hands to go to others regardless of how justified some might think it is. Taking property or goods without consent is theft, no matter how you spin it. Obama wants to plunder the well to do to assist those that can't or won't help themselves. Sorry, I don't buy into the bullshit about millions of people losing their jobs. It ain't happening, and the jobs we are losing, Obama isn't gonna bring back. People losing their jobs are more than likely in an industry that is dieing or obsolete. There's not a huge demand telegraph operators, cotton pickers and fur traders anymore either; it's called progress.
Obama represents all that is wrong with America today; the belif in entitlement to a good life simply because you want it, not becuase you have earned it. I'm gonna start sounding like Polluxlm here, but when you consent to big brother, you're doing exactly what they want you to do. They want to be responsible for clothing, feeding and taking care of you becuase then they are totally in charge. Life isn't easy nor should it ever be. Anything worthwhile always takes effort and there is no such thing as a free meal.
Bush set this system up in a time of panic. Then we began to buy businesses. Now with Obama, we're going to continue down the road of socialization and I promise you, Obama won't be turning back any of those powers Bush received. 1984, he were come. And the worst thign of all is some people are embracing it with open arms.
- Gunslinger
- Rep: 88
Re: McCain guarantees victory
Good argument Flagg. I do have reservations with the Patriot Act but my biggest problem is that once we get someone in office with the mindset of Obama, with good 'Ol Papa Ted and the house and senate both in his pocket, there won't be a BETTER proposal simply a disposal of this idea with no reasonable alternative. The arguments you make are sound and I happen to agree but it worries me more that we get people believing that we can run out of Iraq, forget about security and cut all the military spending possible yet come out ok. As you know it is insane reasoning.
I totally agree with the rest of your points made Flagg. Amazing how something so simple is so hard for some to see.
Re: McCain guarantees victory
Hold on here folks, I'm the conservative, die-hard, douchebag republican around here, and I have a problem with the premis of the patriot act. There is a fundamental concept in this country called being innocent until proven guilty. Now I skirt this by saying that non-citizens aren't protected under our constitution, but the fact that people are willing to voluntarily subject themselves to big brother scares the shit out of me. I don't want Obama as President because the man is a Socialist and probably a black-Marxist; lip stick on a pig ring a bell?
I don't want a dime of my money being forced out of my hands to go to others regardless of how justified some might think it is. Taking property or goods without consent is theft, no matter how you spin it. Obama wants to plunder the well to do to assist those that can't or won't help themselves. Sorry, I don't buy into the bullshit about millions of people losing their jobs. It ain't happening, and the jobs we are losing, Obama isn't gonna bring back. People losing their jobs are more than likely in an industry that is dieing or obsolete. There's not a huge demand telegraph operators, cotton pickers and fur traders anymore either; it's called progress.
Obama represents all that is wrong with America today; the belif in entitlement to a good life simply because you want it, not becuase you have earned it. I'm gonna start sounding like Polluxlm here, but when you consent to big brother, you're doing exactly what they want you to do. They want to be responsible for clothing, feeding and taking care of you becuase then they are totally in charge. Life isn't easy nor should it ever be. Anything worthwhile always takes effort and there is no such thing as a free meal.
Bush set this system up in a time of panic. Then we began to buy businesses. Now with Obama, we're going to continue down the road of socialization and I promise you, Obama won't be turning back any of those powers Bush received. 1984, he were come. And the worst thign of all is some people are embracing it with open arms.
Truth man. Great post dude. People are too clouded with mindless bullshit that just don't see it or choose not too. We as Americans are losing our country and it's sad too see so many people just not care.
Re: McCain guarantees victory
Nice post Randall, problem is, it's really a radical neo-Con opinion, not rooted in any kind of realism.
I'll be voting for Obama tomorrow, and not be scared doing it.
If anything happens to this great country, we call the U.S.A. If we go socialist, we go marxist, we basically become the U.S.S.A.
Blame can be placed at the doorstep of one group of people - corporate America. They've stolen from the poor for years to make themselves richer (they earned, that's a fuckin' laugh), and elitist Republicans who continue to spew absolute nonsense about "trickle down economics" are Reagan Republicans who are a dying breed, that don't quite understand they're over. The Republicans are NOT responsible for this, BUT because they hitched their wagon to the "free market" drum a long time ago, they will be dragged down and drowned with the banks.
Now you might be able to convince me, how i'm wrong. I'm willing to listen. But the average American isn't. They look at gas, they look at milk, they look at their retirement in danger, and they blame one thing - an un-supervised free market. Out of control capitalism is the reason I can't afford my next payment n' such.
Now I could find a few things wrong with that statement. But that's how they see it. Tomorrow, Obama is going to be elected the next president of the United States, and the reason that's going to happen is people are tired and fed up. Is Obama the answer? I don't know. But Americans blindly accepting this socialization with "open arms" is not their fault. It's not the government's fault. It's wall street's fault. Period. That's how they see it, that's how they are going to see it, because they don't know the in's and out's of it all. They just know what they see, and most aren't going to want to look further into it, because it might mean they have to get off their fat ass and do something about it. No, we couldn't have that happen, could we?
To have the attitude you have to out of work peoples, is amazingly ignorant. Unemployment only registers those who are... on unemployment. There's countless people I know who are unemployed, can't get work, not registered with the unemployment office, and haven't filed a tax return in years. Do they count? Or are they just tax-beating bums that need to get a job? (just to let you know, if you don't make anything, you don't have to file)
The numbers you see are only the numbers they want you to see.
But regardless, at this point, i'm like alot of Americans. I don't give a fuck anymore. Let's go socialist. Let's go communist. 1984, blah blah blah, i've heard it over and over.
Capitalism is a roting, maggot-riddled corpse.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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SO much for Hope eh Axlin08? There was a time when people who embraced communism would have been shot on the spot. Socialism is about as far away from the ideals this country was founded on as you can go. Your posts proves Hobbes right. I'll be honest, I had every intention of staying a career Soldier, dedicating my life to this nation. But if this nation is going to come to represent collectivism and destroy personal freedom, then I don't want to fight for it. My loyalty is to the constitution and if we're going to shred that because it gives people a sense of security or lets a couple of people who REFUSE to adapt to changing circumstance and pay for their poor decisions, then count me out.
I'll be the hermit like Ol' Ben Kenobi, waiting for someone to want to restore freedom.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: McCain guarantees victory
Oh, and nothing of my post points to neo-con. Quite the opposite actually. I've said it before, but I'm a staunch libertarian or classical liberal if you will. Read Locke, Hume and Smith if you're curious about what our country was founded on.
