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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 2 weeks ago
Ides Of March 1998 according to Dominguez. He said these were the ones they bought in most complete I think and that would have been January 98, therefore they could be from 1997. Axl got the Idea for Oklahoma In 1995 just after the bombing (same week Izzy and Duff were doing Machine Gun ect) So I guess it depends on what you consider the start of a song writing process, either 95 or 98 take your pick
I'm curious to see if Dizzy gets a writing credit for Nothin'. If so, I think it's possible that Nothin' is Ides of March (Dominguez said it was a Dizzy loop).
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 2 weeks ago
You're right about one thing: derailing the thread, but I'm not on badapplesforum and you're not on mygnr or a4d. Anyway, my apologies for that to the admins and rest of the folks on here. Over and out.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 2 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
So you took it upon yourself to come here and derail a thread twice even though you own your a gnr forum and post mostly on mygnr Gotcha !
What have you ingored until now your hypocrisy ? Acting like a source of knowledge of matters like Children of the revolution when I was the first years ago to report via my source Axl, Slash and Duff recording it and you called me a troll and it didn't exist?
My public post just pointed out your error nothing else.
Your own words
" 2) The image is cropped from a larger one (that has not been shared in public), which is a screenshot of what appears to be a forwarded email originally sent by Fernando and dating from January 2008."
The image i posted in response and
Tweet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
That matches your quote aboveThe more common shared image
https://i.imgur.com/T6I6W5R.png and the one you quoted in your post
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … /page/160/You did not state in your post you were referring the one were multiple emails address are shown did ya.
Again: Your image from Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that very mygnr thread (by user Sweersa) before I made my post.

https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124671

https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124785
How would I be referring to it as "not shared in public"? It was self-evident from the flow of the thread that I was referring to another, larger screenshot, not the one that was already there in plain sight.
I understand that it's part of your shtick to pick up on the smallest and most insignificant things looking for a "gotcha", but be more careful next time.
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As for Children of the Revolution:
I made an educated guess. That's part of the process of critical thinking that you're obviously not familiar with, so I'll break it down for you.
When I come across any information or story, I'll look for verification (like an identified official source, a reference, a document, etc., or at least confirmation from a second unofficial source). When the information cannot be verified in this way, I'll make an educated guess based on logic. Of course, educated guesses may turn out to be wrong sometimes since they don't rely on evidence but on logic alone, and I know that when I make them.
In the case of Children of the Revolution, logic said that it probably was not true since the original rumour shared by Mitch Lafon was debunked, and even if there was indeed a recording, it was unlikely to be included in a GN'R release because it was not part of a GN'R project. Eventually my educated guess turned out to be wrong and I admitted it on mygnr.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 3 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 3 weeks ago
There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:slashsfro wrote:What I don’t get is why they don’t hire a social media person to hype/market this new stuff (songs) to casuals.
This is how you reach people today . It’s almost like they are stuck in the 20th century.
Not unbelievable that Axl still lives in a 90s bubble. Nobody to challenge him, nobody to teach him new things. Everybody just tip toeing while he continues to do the same things he did 30 years ago.
Nobody dares saying anything. I've heard first hand that nobody in the band even dares to tell him they don't want to do the marathon shows. It's Axl who calls the shots on everything and with TB enabling him for years now, nothing will change
I can see that being true, because Duff has implied it in public interviews a few times, saying how physically challenging and tiring has been for him to play the 3-hour shows. He's even made a point that the long shows can be damaging for Axl's voice. Of course he said all that in his familiar diplomatic way and choosing his words carefully so that what he said couldn't be taken as a direct dig at someone.
I can understand Dizzy or Fortus not daring tell Axl about it, but I don't understand why Duff or Slash wouldn't (although Slash probably doesn't mind the long shows anyway). What would Axl do, fire them?
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 weeks ago
What I don’t get is why they don’t hire a social media person to hype/market this new stuff (songs) to casuals.
This is how you reach people today . It’s almost like they are stuck in the 20th century.
They do have both a publicist (they're working with a PR company called the Orel Company) and a separate social media team.
But if the emails found in the court documents for the Kat Benzova case are an indication or a glimpse of how this works, they have to run everything with Fernando first, so they can't do anything without his permission.
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Atlas » 3 weeks ago
They have becoming a touring band plain and simple , with zero indication that they plan on recording new music. I’ve come to this realization and it doesn’t bother me.
But for others it doesn’t help that Slash and Duff also drop (bullshit) hints that they plan to release new music soon.
On the production stuff, that’s on Axl. He keeps on using Caram as the producer for these songs.
Caram is not working with Axl anymore (he was fired in 2023), but these re-recorded songs were produced before that. And with the pace these are being released (since Axl doesn't seem willing to finally be over with the CD era that has lasted so ridiculously long), we'll keep getting Caram produced songs until 2030 or who knows when.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
Couldn't Axl have done the same thing ?
In theory, yes, but the Nothing demo sounded like a song at its very early stages, like a song being "born" and not as something that was under rearrangement.
Anyway, all this talk is kind of "academic", since sp1at said he's sure Nothing is not Down By The Ocean.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy was writing with Duff.
Per Chinese Whispers
"In April, 1995, Duff calls me again: 'I'm trying to compose new songs for the guys in GN'R. Come and give me a hand.' It made five [years] that I'd left Guns but I said myself: 'Well shit, after all, why not?' Duff and I wrote ten songs in the space of week. We even recorded them as demos." (French Izzy interview, 2001)
Which means Duff has the dat tapes too.In 2000 Axl was talking to Izzy and not Duff whose now back in gnr.
We have no idea the level of completion of any of the Izzy and Duff songs.
Is anything i written above not factually correct ?It's correct, except maybe that Duff has the DAT tapes, because a few years ago a DAT from those 1995 Izzy/Duff sessions (containing two of the demos, Tooth Puller and Machine Gun) was found forgotten in a storage space alongside other Duff related stuff. There was a picture that circulated (I have it somewhere) and they guy from the storage space contacted Duff's management and Duff collected them.
My point was that when Izzy is involved he usually writes fully structured songs with lyrics, too.
Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
I'm saying that maybe Duff has that particular DAT with Down By The Ocean but we can't be sure of that, because he had apparently lost some of the other DATs from the same sessions that were found in that storage space, which may be an indication that he hadn't kept any of those tapes.
I'm also saying that regardless of whether Duff has that DAT or not, Down By The Ocean might not even be from those sessions.
But let's say that Duff has the dats. How would that be related to Nothing being Down By The Ocean?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
