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- Bill Brasky
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Re: Nothin'
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:It's correct, except maybe that Duff has the DAT tapes, because a few years ago a DAT from those 1995 Izzy/Duff sessions (containing two of the demos, Tooth Puller and Machine Gun) was found forgotten in a storage space alongside other Duff related stuff. There was a picture that circulated (I have it somewhere) and they guy from the storage space contacted Duff's management and Duff collected them.
My point was that when Izzy is involved he usually writes fully structured songs with lyrics, too.
Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
I'm saying that maybe Duff has that particular DAT with Down By The Ocean but we can't be sure of that, because he had apparently lost some of the other DATs from the same sessions that were found in that storage space, which may be an indication that he hadn't kept any of those tapes.
I'm also saying that regardless of whether Duff has that DAT or not, Down By The Ocean might not even be from those sessions.
But let's say that Duff has the dats. How would that be related to Nothing being Down By The Ocean?
Well if it was co written by Duff it's more likely to be used by Axl since Duff is a member in gnr and the partnership.
Giving Izzy money for his contributions or just reworking the song from Izzy parts would eliminate his writing credentials no ?
How is Monsters Soul Monster ?
I don't believe it is but since it's named Monsters and a lyric has the word Soul in it it must be Soul Monster according to your pal Soulmonster and the mygnr folks correct ?
Btw i have proven Marco Beltrami memory on what songs he worked not to be reliable if you were planning going down that route i can happily direct you or copy paste the information here.
Well Nothin' has the line Down By The Sea in the song isn't that the same criteria ?
Did you know in Webster's dictionary Monstrosity literally means Monster in the english language ?
Or that Guns N' Roses had 2 songs back to back on uyi 1 with garden in it !
Track 11 The Garden Track 12 Garden Of Eden. To quote Johnny Carson...Wild Stuff ! ( that's for you James)
I was told by a source a week ago Nothin' was Down By The Ocean and until Sp1at who i respect and i know is reputable said it wasn't it was making sense to me.
Is that fair, can you see it from my perspective ?
I'm not 100% right and have been wrong with information but people forget who first told them about Children Of The Revolution and many other things.
Btw in hindsight doesn't seem like Nothin' and Atlas were supposed to be released on June 6th 2025 to support the tour and on the 40th anniversary of gnr first show ?
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Nothin'
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:It's correct, except maybe that Duff has the DAT tapes, because a few years ago a DAT from those 1995 Izzy/Duff sessions (containing two of the demos, Tooth Puller and Machine Gun) was found forgotten in a storage space alongside other Duff related stuff. There was a picture that circulated (I have it somewhere) and they guy from the storage space contacted Duff's management and Duff collected them.
My point was that when Izzy is involved he usually writes fully structured songs with lyrics, too.
Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
Couldn't Axl have done the same thing ?
- BrokenGlassNCigs
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Re: Nothin'
lol “Nothin’” is not and was not “Down by the Ocean” — there are no legit sources ever hinting at that, the continued insinuation otherwise is a desperate stretch.
Also “down by the sea” isn’t a lyric in Nothin
It’s completely rational to think “Monsters” is “Soul Monster” which was “Leave Me Alone” because it has Beltrami’s orchestration on it and he confirmed that he worked on Leave Me Alone.
Axl himself confirmed the name change from Leave Me Alone to Soul Monster. https://www.gnrevolution.com/song.php?id=3107
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Nothin'
lol “Nothin’” is not and was not “Down by the Ocean” — there are no legit sources ever hinting at that, the continued insinuation otherwise is a desperate stretch.
Also “down by the sea” isn’t a lyric in Nothin
It’s completely rational to think “Monsters” is “Soul Monster” which was “Leave Me Alone” because it has Beltrami’s orchestration on it and he confirmed that he worked on Leave Me Alone.
A stormy sea , a reckless sea , a endless sea are lyrics in Nothin'
Here's a post of mine from badapplesforum
Once again here's what you're basing that off of https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/226301 … nt-5045353
Sadly he doesn't remember Monsters former name. He does remember a song being quite long but unsure if it was The General or another one. But if it was, it's not The General we have, as apparently there was a longer song he worked on (but he's unsure whether that long song was The General back then, maybe it's Seven or another one we haven't heard).
Just to be clear, he did listen to the leaks, I wanted to make sure he understood and could compare with what he remembers, and what we have has been modified from when he worked on those, so I guess it's hard for him to properly remember specific former names. But he does recognize those two songs & his work, and they weren't a single song back then (just like we have a hard time understanding how they could form a single song, as it is). The instrumental part isn't meant to form a continuity between this version of The General, and this version of Monsters, both instrumental were specific creations of his. Each 8 songs he's worked on/arranged had a specific arrangement meant for a particular song.
Per Marco Beltrami He can't Remember if Monsters is Soul Monsters according to post by D..... lmfao.
Let's also address the myth that Marco Beltrami only worked on 8 songs :Mel:
"[GNR] was sort of just work for hire. [...] I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed. They gave me four songs to orchestrate. [...] A song called 'Seven,' which is the one [...] I actually wrote a guitar part [on]. There was one called 'Thyme,' one called 'The General,' one called 'Leave Me Alone.'" (Marco Beltrami, IGN, 07/20/03)
So that's 4 correct ?
1.The General
2.Soul Monster aka Leave Me Alone
3.Seven
4.Thyme
Now according to Chinese Democracy official liner notes
http://albumlinernotes.com/Chinese_Democracy.html
5.Street of Dream's
6.This I Love
7.Madagascar
8.TWAT
9.Prostitute
That's a total of 9 we know of
But D.... conversation with Marco Beltrami only states he worked on 8. Something seems very fishy there. So either Marco really can't accurately remember what he worked on 2 decades ago or fuckery is about.
I guess none of copy paste mygnr news reporters bothered to fact check things.
There's more if you would like to educate yourself here's a link Post in thread 'Unreleased Chinese Democracy Era Songs Definitive List & Information' https://badapplesforum.com/newforum/thr … post-89283
Re: Nothin'
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
Couldn't Axl have done the same thing ?
In theory, yes, but the Nothing demo sounded like a song at its very early stages, like a song being "born" and not as something that was under rearrangement.
Anyway, all this talk is kind of "academic", since sp1at said he's sure Nothing is not Down By The Ocean.
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Nothin'
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
Couldn't Axl have done the same thing ?
In theory, yes, but the Nothing demo sounded like a song at its very early stages, like a song being "born" and not as something that was under rearrangement.
Anyway, all this talk is kind of "academic", since sp1at said he's sure Nothing is not Down By The Ocean.
I believe you saw my response to Sp1at and that i believe he's reliable i even make correction video on YouTube because of Sp1at's information.
- BrokenGlassNCigs
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Re: Nothin'
Marco confirmed the title in 2003 after he worked on it in 2002. Axl confirmed that very title had changed to Soul Monster in a 2008 chat. Marco is on Monsters and the intro was played live in 2010 before CD. It’s a rational stretch to link Soul Monster to Monsters. The fact that Marco couldn’t remember if he worked on 8 or 9 songs exactly when asked 20 years later means nothing.
But nice of you to plug your forum here, while you continue to hijack the thread with your “source” that has no legs. Yes, “sea” is mentioned… so that obviously means Nothing = Down by the Ocean lol. It’s not 2019, no one is falling for your fake reporter gimmick anymore.
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Nothin'
Marco confirmed the title in 2003 after he worked on it in 2002. Axl confirmed that very title had changed to Soul Monster in a 2008 chat. Marco is on Monsters and the intro was played live in 2010 before CD. It’s a rational stretch to link Soul Monster to Monsters. The fact that Marco couldn’t remember if he worked on 8 or 9 songs exactly when asked 20 years later means nothing.
But nice of you to plug your forum here, while you continue to hijack the thread with your “source” that has no legs. Yes, “sea” is mentioned… so that obviously means Nothing = Down by the Ocean lol. It’s not 2019, no one is falling for your fake reporter gimmick anymore.
Hey sport Marco confirmed he worked leave me alone which became soul monster that's correct, i never said he didn't i just posted factual information about Marco Beltrami not having a accurate track record on how many songs he worked on or is reading comprehension not a strength of yours ?
You believe the orchestra on the general and monsters are not similar or not connected together ? Why ?
I plug evo on badapplesforum and on my show so what's your point ?
You could actually educate yourself !
Or do you not want to do that ?
- AgesOfTheIce
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Re: Nothin'
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
I'm saying that maybe Duff has that particular DAT with Down By The Ocean but we can't be sure of that, because he had apparently lost some of the other DATs from the same sessions that were found in that storage space, which may be an indication that he hadn't kept any of those tapes.
I'm also saying that regardless of whether Duff has that DAT or not, Down By The Ocean might not even be from those sessions.
But let's say that Duff has the dats. How would that be related to Nothing being Down By The Ocean?
Well if it was co written by Duff it's more likely to be used by Axl since Duff is a member in gnr and the partnership.
Giving Izzy money for his contributions or just reworking the song from Izzy parts would eliminate his writing credentials no ?How is Monsters Soul Monster ?
I don't believe it is but since it's named Monsters and a lyric has the word Soul in it it must be Soul Monster according to your pal Soulmonster and the mygnr folks correct ?Btw i have proven Marco Beltrami memory on what songs he worked not to be reliable if you were planning going down that route i can happily direct you or copy paste the information here.
Well Nothin' has the line Down By The Sea in the song isn't that the same criteria ?
Did you know in Webster's dictionary Monstrosity literally means Monster in the english language ?
Or that Guns N' Roses had 2 songs back to back on uyi 1 with garden in it !
Track 11 The Garden Track 12 Garden Of Eden. To quote Johnny Carson...Wild Stuff ! ( that's for you James)I was told by a source a week ago Nothin' was Down By The Ocean and until Sp1at who i respect and i know is reputable said it wasn't it was making sense to me.
Is that fair, can you see it from my perspective ?
I'm not 100% right and have been wrong with information but people forget who first told them about Children Of The Revolution and many other things.
Btw in hindsight doesn't seem like Nothin' and Atlas were supposed to be released on June 6th 2025 to support the tour and on the 40th anniversary of gnr first show ?
I don't understand the Soul Monster/Monsters debate. Yes, the fact that it has the phrase "you stole my soul" along with the word monster is quite decisive evidence, not sure why that's being laughed off. But Axl's own words even further solidify the theory. His description of the mean bridge and the Sabbath vibe also match perfectly. Sure, Monstrosity could turn out to be Soul Monster, but there's nothing to indicate that, especially given the mountain of evidence connecting Monsters-Soul Monster. If Monstrosity being a variation of the word monster is an indication it might be, then that also further makes the case for Monsters being SM given both words are used in the song.
Let's be honest here, a lot of this theorizing can be very easily attributed to hoping that the instrumental we originally thought was SM (Me & My Elvis) did not go unused. It's certainly a shame if it wasn't, but Elvis sounds nothing like Black Sabbath. Have no idea what guys like you like and Gordon Comstock are talking about when you say that. It's industrial rock in the same vein as Finck's contribution to the Ghost Of Mars soundtrack.
- BrokenGlassNCigs
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Re: Nothin'
Hey sport Marco confirmed he worked leave me alone which became soul monster that's correct, i never said he didn't i just posted factual information about Marco Beltrami not having a accurate track record on how many songs he worked on or is reading comprehension not a strength of yours ?
You believe the orchestra on the general and monsters are not similar or not connected together ? Why ?
I plug evo on badapplesforum and on my show so what's your point ?
You could actually educate yourself !
Or do you not want to do that ?
Taking Marco’s response to an email 21 years after he worked on the GNR tracks (and hundreds of others in between) but ignoring him (less than a year after he worked on them) in 2003 very clearly confirm Leave Me Alone as a title is an asinine assertion. Comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.
The General and Leave Me Alone are two different songs with two completely different orchestrations. They are similar in the fact that Marco Beltrami worked on both, but are completely separate and were both named by Marco in 2003 as separate songs that he worked on. Not sure what you don’t understand about that. Both songs’ orchestrations were used as intros to the live shows, The General as early as 2006 and “Monsters” as early as 2010.
Happy to continue educating you!
Also, +1 to AgesoftheIce’s post above mine.
